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Post by Marching Observer on Aug 3, 2021 19:17:15 GMT -6
Ope. My bad. For some reason I keep thinking they are coming next year lol. Fixing so that they are in tier 2. Thanks for catching that!
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Aug 4, 2021 12:23:26 GMT -6
I was away from this board for a good long while. Did I miss something? Why is there no Marian Catholic on this list?
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Post by dbalash on Aug 4, 2021 12:36:57 GMT -6
I was away from this board for a good long while. Did I miss something? Why is there no Marian Catholic on this list? Not confirmed as attending as of yet. |
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Post by Jake W. on Aug 4, 2021 13:02:04 GMT -6
I was away from this board for a good long while. Did I miss something? Why is there no Marian Catholic on this list? Not confirmed as attending as of yet. Any input on how Marian has been weathering the last year and a half, Dan? Is Bimm still at the helm, or did he retire amidst the chaos like so many other older educators throughout this last school year? Did they field any sort of group in 2020, even just for football games? |
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Post by dbalash on Aug 4, 2021 13:17:18 GMT -6
Not confirmed as attending as of yet. Any input on how Marian has been weathering the last year and a half, Dan? Is Bimm still at the helm, or did he retire amidst the chaos like so many other older educators throughout this last school year? Did they field any sort of group in 2020, even just for football games? Bimm is still there. Year 45 or 46 for him. Turning 70 in December. They did field a group last year in the fall (if I remember correctly). New assistant director this year, as Ellen Chmura is now the Associate Director of Bands at J.J. Pearce in Texas. New uniforms (this year maybe?) Fundraising for them has begun. They're quite nice and I think will look really sharp on the field. In addition, IHSA is now updating official enrollments every 2 years - the official enrollment for sports classification is now 961 9-12 grade. |
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Post by hostrauser on Aug 4, 2021 15:54:00 GMT -6
In addition, IHSA is now updating official enrollments every 2 years - the official enrollment for sports classification is now 961 9-12 grade. Surely that's 2A at ISU. Do they keep petitioning to move up and stay in 3A? Marian Catholic is now the same size as Morton, who is always in 2A. |
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Post by Marching Observer on Aug 4, 2021 16:12:50 GMT -6
They are getting very close to that A classification in BOA. Crazy!
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Post by dbalash on Aug 4, 2021 16:18:56 GMT -6
In addition, IHSA is now updating official enrollments every 2 years - the official enrollment for sports classification is now 961 9-12 grade. Surely that's 2A at ISU. Do they keep petitioning to move up and stay in 3A? Marian Catholic is now the same size as Morton, who is always in 2A. Last I saw, Marian is in "Session B" at ISU, which is 3A-4A. They may petition to play up a class there. |
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Post by Uncle Baby Billy on Aug 5, 2021 11:18:37 GMT -6
IMO, it would be the right move for them to skip this year's BOA Grand Nationals. Unlike public high schools who at least have feeders, they presumably will have extremely challenging circumstances within the competitive arena to field a highly successful program this fall. I can't imagine the amount of growth that they would need to make regarding underclassmen. Not to mention that Illinois' governor has led from behind on COVID (IMO) & additional sanctions/limits on minors/students are not completely out of the realm of possibility. I can see several hurdles for bands in lockdown states vs bands who do not have to worry about the craziness. Bimm probably wants to remain in the mix, but I think there is a golden opportunity for them to reset things. If they are going all-in, I would imagine they'll head to BOA Iowa & Nationals. Those are the two events I would place my money squarely on. Any input on how Marian has been weathering the last year and a half, Dan? Is Bimm still at the helm, or did he retire amidst the chaos like so many other older educators throughout this last school year? Did they field any sort of group in 2020, even just for football games? Bimm is still there. Year 45 or 46 for him. Turning 70 in December. They did field a group last year in the fall (if I remember correctly). New assistant director this year, as Ellen Chmura is now the Associate Director of Bands at J.J. Pearce in Texas. New uniforms (this year maybe?) Fundraising for them has begun. They're quite nice and I think will look really sharp on the field. In addition, IHSA is now updating official enrollments every 2 years - the official enrollment for sports classification is now 961 9-12 grade. |
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Post by smile on Aug 5, 2021 22:11:51 GMT -6
I think perhaps we could break this into smaller tier sets just so we can "debate" further lol. That said, this is just my own opinion as of right now without seeing anything on the season yet. Anything in any tier can, of course, crash into an above tier or slide down for various reasons. Most importantly, this is just for fun and no disrespect being given to any group. These are all done of the best of the best! Again, anything can happen this year which is exciting. Tier 1 (most likely to take the Eagle) Avon Carmel Broken Arrow Ronald Reagan Tier 2 (Contenders but certainly high locks) The Woodlands Tarpon Springs Flower Mound Marcus Tier 3 (the wild card tier. could jump to tier one) CTJ (yes they won* State in a Covid year but their GN placements are consistently in this range) Vista (first GN... But significantly improving. Wild card baby!) Blue Springs (like the tier says, wild card. Depends on the show they bring imo) Tier 4 (their are question marks but should make finals) Mason (they've bounced back but they've yet to really show consistency imo) Wando (always strong and solid but school split and Covid disruption leaves lots of mystery surrounding them) Tier 5 (bubbles....MADE OF BLOOD...BLOOD BATH FOR FINALS) DB (consistent finalist but I mean, woof. This contest) Homestead (same as above but with the wrinkle of fully new head director who's had a year at the helm but during Covid, and two new assistant directors and again, one year at the helm of this titan program) O'Fallon (haven't been around enough to establish consistency but have the ability) Round Rock (never underestimate this programs ability to make GN it's b**** cause they always seem to find a way lol) Tier 6 (outside looking in but with the right show... Controversial picks baby!) Castle Fishers Centerville Rockford (they be creeping up...) Center Grove Brownsburg Rosemount Lawrence Township All of these groups are fantastic in their own right. It's going to be a spectacular year for band imo! Is Woodlands really tier 2? |
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 6, 2021 5:16:34 GMT -6
Is Woodlands really tier 2? Among the list in Tier 2 I would move Tarpon Springs and Flower Mound up to Tier 1 before considering The Woodlands. If you're surmising they should be in Tier 3 then you'd need to move Marcus down as well, IMO. At that point, you've changed the three tiers posited by Marching Observer to just two tiers. |
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Post by statechamp1239 on Aug 6, 2021 9:56:04 GMT -6
Confirmed:
Archbishop Alter H.S., OH
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Post by Marching Observer on Aug 6, 2021 10:45:28 GMT -6
I could see an argument for The Woodlands being in Tier 3 but they've been always been just so consistent and those hiccup years are more to do with extenuating circumstances beyond their control. Again this is just my opinion of course and you're welcome to disagree. That is half the fun after all.
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Post by supersound on Aug 6, 2021 11:37:34 GMT -6
I think it’s a little silly to say that Mason “has yet to show consistency” when they’ve been first out of the top 6 the past 2 years since the issues that happened with 2017.
They’ve also placed very well at the locals they’ve gone to and honestly I’d say they have shown consistency in their quality and placements and it’s silly to hold them to this weird “consistency” standard that I believe they’ve already met.
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Post by marimba11 on Aug 6, 2021 12:19:16 GMT -6
I think it’s too early to really make guesses IMO with all of these unknowns, but please don’t stop making them. I think the tiers set out are predominantly correct.
But it also means with this field one will really need to stand out. With the covid effects, bands will have to get super focused and creative. I am almost suprised this many have decided to take the leap to still attending. Very exciting! I also don’t see Reagan as tier 1, but that’s just my prediction.
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Post by supersound on Aug 6, 2021 12:39:06 GMT -6
Reagan is in a position where they just had Dan Morrison leave their program and from what I hear their band didn’t stay too active because of covid so it’ll be interesting to see where they go.
No doubt the original plan was for Morrison to leave after a grand showing at 2020 Grand Nationals but that obviously didn’t work out.
If we can’t put Reagan in tier 1 then I definitely wouldn’t put Carmel in tier 1 either though. That’s just my two cents.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 6, 2021 13:20:11 GMT -6
Reagan is in a position where they just had Dan Morrison leave their program and from what I hear their band didn’t stay too active because of covid so it’ll be interesting to see where they go. No doubt the original plan was for Morrison to leave after a grand showing at 2020 Grand Nationals but that obviously didn’t work out. If we can’t put Reagan in tier 1 then I definitely wouldn’t put Carmel in tier 1 either though. That’s just my two cents. It’s definitely fun making all these predictions but this certainly raises some great points. Bands that didn’t do much last year might not be as prepared for the 2021 season as bands that were still learning shows and performing them during the bizarre Covid year. CTJ won UIL’s 6A state championship last December with an EXCELLENT show, followed closely by Hebron, Flower Mound, Marcus and The Woodlands. Hebron is the only one of those bands NOT attending GN this fall. Reagan chose not to attend nor field a production of any sort that I know of which could certainly impact them this year IMHO. However, Vista Ridge also chose to skip UIL, but they DID field a production and I was fortunate enough to have seen it performed live. (It was phenomenal). I honestly don’t think we will have a clue who will be in what tier until mid October or so after we have witnessed a few competitions. It’s always fun to surmise in the meantime tho! Edit: Reagan most certainly did field a show last fall, they just didn’t participate in UIL. The show was called Iconic and it was quite good! |
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Post by supersound on Aug 6, 2021 13:33:41 GMT -6
Reagan is in a position where they just had Dan Morrison leave their program and from what I hear their band didn’t stay too active because of covid so it’ll be interesting to see where they go. No doubt the original plan was for Morrison to leave after a grand showing at 2020 Grand Nationals but that obviously didn’t work out. If we can’t put Reagan in tier 1 then I definitely wouldn’t put Carmel in tier 1 either though. That’s just my two cents. It’s definitely fun making all these predictions but this certainly raises some great points. Bands that didn’t do much last year might not be as prepared for the 2021 season as bands that were still learning shows and performing them during the bizarre Covid year. CTJ won UIL’s 6A state championship last December with an EXCELLENT show, followed closely by Hebron, Flower Mound, Marcus and The Woodlands. Hebron is the only one of those bands NOT attending GN this fall. Reagan chose not to attend nor field a production of any sort that I know of which could certainly impact them this year IMHO. However, Vista Ridge also chose to skip UIL, but they DID field a production and I was fortunate enough to have seen it performed live. (It was phenomenal). I honestly don’t think we will have a clue who will be in what tier until mid October or so after we have witnessed a few competitions. It’s always fun to surmise in the meantime tho! All great points. Regardless of placement I think all of the bands that decided to do UIL are in a slight advantage position if not only because they had the opportunity to put on a full field show and have it judged at a very high level. You’re right that the only two bands going to nationals not to do UIL are Vista Ridge and Reagan. I’m not sure if Reagan did something similar to Vista Ridge in putting on a sort-of-show but if they didn’t then to be quite honest they are in a sort of disadvantage. |
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Post by marimba11 on Aug 6, 2021 13:39:53 GMT -6
It’s definitely fun making all these predictions but this certainly raises some great points. Bands that didn’t do much last year might not be as prepared for the 2021 season as bands that were still learning shows and performing them during the bizarre Covid year. CTJ won UIL’s 6A state championship last December with an EXCELLENT show, followed closely by Hebron, Flower Mound, Marcus and The Woodlands. Hebron is the only one of those bands NOT attending GN this fall. Reagan chose not to attend nor field a production of any sort that I know of which could certainly impact them this year IMHO. However, Vista Ridge also chose to skip UIL, but they DID field a production and I was fortunate enough to have seen it performed live. (It was phenomenal). I honestly don’t think we will have a clue who will be in what tier until mid October or so after we have witnessed a few competitions. It’s always fun to surmise in the meantime tho! All great points. Regardless of placement I think all of the bands that decided to do UIL are in a slight advantage position if not only because they had the opportunity to put on a full field show and have it judged at a very high level. You’re right that the only two bands going to nationals not to do UIL are Vista Ridge and Reagan. I’m not sure if Reagan did something similar to Vista Ridge in putting on a sort-of-show but if they didn’t then to be quite honest they are in a sort of disadvantage. Reagan did a 2020 show! “Different doesn’t mean worse,” you can find it on the unmentionable site. It was great. But dare I say CTJ was better |
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Post by Samuel Culper on Aug 6, 2021 13:49:00 GMT -6
Reagan is in a position where they just had Dan Morrison leave their program and from what I hear their band didn’t stay too active because of covid so it’ll be interesting to see where they go. No doubt the original plan was for Morrison to leave after a grand showing at 2020 Grand Nationals but that obviously didn’t work out. If we can’t put Reagan in tier 1 then I definitely wouldn’t put Carmel in tier 1 either though. That’s just my two cents. It’s definitely fun making all these predictions but this certainly raises some great points. Bands that didn’t do much last year might not be as prepared for the 2021 season as bands that were still learning shows and performing them during the bizarre Covid year. CTJ won UIL’s 6A state championship last December with an EXCELLENT show, followed closely by Hebron, Flower Mound, Marcus and The Woodlands. Hebron is the only one of those bands NOT attending GN this fall. Reagan chose not to attend nor field a production of any sort that I know of which could certainly impact them this year IMHO. However, Vista Ridge also chose to skip UIL, but they DID field a production and I was fortunate enough to have seen it performed live. (It was phenomenal). I honestly don’t think we will have a clue who will be in what tier until mid October or so after we have witnessed a few competitions. It’s always fun to surmise in the meantime tho! Vista Ridge didn't choose to skip UIL. Leander ISD said no competitions to all bands in the district. |
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Post by Marching Observer on Aug 6, 2021 13:54:23 GMT -6
I mean, much like judging, it's all subjective. And it's all preseason so anything still goes! 🙃😁
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 6, 2021 14:56:26 GMT -6
It’s definitely fun making all these predictions but this certainly raises some great points. Bands that didn’t do much last year might not be as prepared for the 2021 season as bands that were still learning shows and performing them during the bizarre Covid year. CTJ won UIL’s 6A state championship last December with an EXCELLENT show, followed closely by Hebron, Flower Mound, Marcus and The Woodlands. Hebron is the only one of those bands NOT attending GN this fall. Reagan chose not to attend nor field a production of any sort that I know of which could certainly impact them this year IMHO. However, Vista Ridge also chose to skip UIL, but they DID field a production and I was fortunate enough to have seen it performed live. (It was phenomenal). I honestly don’t think we will have a clue who will be in what tier until mid October or so after we have witnessed a few competitions. It’s always fun to surmise in the meantime tho! Vista Ridge didn't choose to skip UIL. Leander ISD said no competitions to all bands in the district. My understanding was that it was the LISD directors themselves who got together and agreed that none of the district bands would compete. I’m starting to get a complex over everything I say. 🤣 |
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Post by Samuel Culper on Aug 6, 2021 15:14:06 GMT -6
Vista Ridge didn't choose to skip UIL. Leander ISD said no competitions to all bands in the district. My understanding was that it was the LISD directors themselves who got together and agreed that none of the district bands would compete. I’m starting to get a complex over everything I say. 🤣 Just trying to be a pedantic nimro.... I mean, keep you honest. And I had not heard that about the directors. Hmmm.... I kinda wish I didn't know that. |
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Post by supersound on Aug 6, 2021 15:17:17 GMT -6
I’m perfectly content with the directors decision. They’re well-intentioned and came to the decision they did because they cared about their students.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 6, 2021 15:27:20 GMT -6
I’m perfectly content with the directors decision. They’re well-intentioned and came to the decision they did because they cared about their students. 💯 |
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Post by Samuel Culper on Aug 6, 2021 15:47:10 GMT -6
I’m perfectly content with the directors decision. They’re well-intentioned and came to the decision they did because they cared about their students. I get that. I really do. On the other hand, seeing other bands compete last year while my SENIOR - who was supposed to be making a trip to GNats in her final year - had a senior year that positively sucked, was painful. |
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Aug 6, 2021 15:53:19 GMT -6
My totally unbiased opinion: 🙌🤣. Tier 1 (most likely to take the BOA Eagle)
Avon (Visual)
Carmel
Broken Arrow (GE)
CTJ
Vista Ridge (Music)
Tier 2
Tarpon Springs (Class Champ)
Reagan
Marcus
Tier 3
F - Mound
Blue Springs (Class champ)
The Woodlands
Tier 4
Homestead
Round Rock - first out
UIL State Finals
Vista Ridge (State Champ)
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Post by marimba11 on Aug 6, 2021 16:01:24 GMT -6
My totally unbiased opinion: 🙌🤣(br]Tier 1 (most likely to take the BOA Eagle) Avon (Visual) Carmel Broken Arrow (GE) CTJ Vista Ridge (Music) Tier 2 Tarpon Springs (Class Champ) Reagan Marcus Tier 3 F - Mound Blue Springs (Class champ) The Woodlands Tier 4 Homestead Round Rock - first out UIL State Finals Vista Ridge (State Champ) No Mason Wando or DB? |
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Aug 6, 2021 16:09:30 GMT -6
My totally unbiased opinion: 🙌🤣(br]Tier 1 (most likely to take the BOA Eagle) Avon (Visual) Carmel Broken Arrow (GE) CTJ Vista Ridge (Music) Tier 2 Tarpon Springs (Class Champ) Reagan Marcus Tier 3 F - Mound Blue Springs (Class champ) The Woodlands Tier 4 Homestead Round Rock - first out UIL State Finals Vista Ridge (State Champ) No Mason Wando or DB? I’d put them in the first out along with Round Rock. Although, Mason and Wando visually over RR I feel Grand Nats this year gonna have heavy music execution programs leveraging the judges over Indiana Bands and Wando, DB lower against Tarpon, Broken Arrow and the Texas Elites. I think RR (GE)pulls ahead of Wando, DB I’m semis. Mason is the only program that can take Homestead and RR imo but who the heck really knows considering the 2020 COVID residual program disruptions and now considering the new 2021 delta variant path. 🤦♂️ |
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Post by marimba11 on Aug 6, 2021 16:49:16 GMT -6
I’d put them in the first out along with Round Rock. Although, Mason and Wando visually over RR I feel Grand Nats this year gonna have heavy music execution programs leveraging the judges over Indiana Bands and Wando, DB lower against Tarpon, Broken Arrow and the Texas Elites. I think RR (GE)pulls ahead of Wando, DB I’m semis. Mason is the only program that can take Homestead and RR imo but who the heck really knows considering the 2020 COVID residual program disruptions and now considering the new 2021 delta variant path. 🤦♂️ Fair points! We shall see! |
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