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Post by Marching Observer on Nov 4, 2021 11:23:13 GMT -6
Now break it down by panel for those of us who are too busy too lol
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 4, 2021 11:33:32 GMT -6
Updated classification list as per CompetitionSuite. While most of the bands were in their database, only a handful of the implied A and AA bands were not (the smaller and new-to-BOA Ohio and Kentucky schools). Should be close, though! Collinsville, OK is back in A after being originally classified as AA. CLASS A (27 bands)Archbishop Alter H.S., OH Beechwood H.S., KY Bishop Fenwick H.S., OH Bourbon County H.S., KY Carlisle H.S., OH Carroll H.S., OH Christian Academy of Louisville, KY Clinton-Massie H.S., OH Collinsville H.S., OK East Clinton H.S., OH Estill County H.S., KY Greenon Jr./Sr. H.S., OH Hollister H.S., MO Indian Hill H.S., OH John Hardin H.S., KY Mark Twain H.S., MO Milton-Union H.S., OH Monrovia H.S., IN Murray H.S., KY Norton H.S., OH Owen County H.S., KY Pinecrest Academy of Nevada Cadence, NV Russell Independent H.S., KY Signal Mountain H.S., TN St. Clairsville H.S., OH University H.S., IL Warren Local H.S., OH CLASS AA (29 bands)Anderson County H.S., KY Boyle County H.S., KY Central Crossing H.S., OH Christian County H.S., KY Danville H.S., IL Davenport Central H.S., IA Easley H.S., SC Fairborn H.S., OH Grayson County H.S., KY Greendale H.S., WI Greenfield-Central H.S., IN Jenison H.S., MI Lake Hamilton H.S., AR Marian Catholic H.S., IL Meade County H.S., KY Miamisburg H.S., OH Morton H.S., IL Mount Pleasant H.S., MI Munster H.S., IN Neosho H.S., MO Nordonia H.S., OH Northmont H.S., OH Norwin H.S., PA Piqua H.S., OH Pulaski County H.S., KY Talawanda H.S., OH Taylor County H.S., KY Tippecanoe H.S., OH Walter E. Stebbins H.S., OH CLASS AAA (16 bands)Blue Springs H.S., MO Castle H.S., IN Central Hardin H.S., KY Chattahoochee H.S., GA Cleveland H.S., NC Collinsville H.S., IL Columbus North H.S., IN DeSoto Central H.S., MS Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN Franklin H.S., TN Hardin Valley Academy, TN Lebanon H.S., OH Milford H.S., OH Nixa H.S., MO Rosemount H.S., MN Springboro H.S., OH CLASS AAAA (27 bands)Avon H.S., IN Bentonville H.S., AR Broken Arrow H.S., OK Brownsburg H.S., IN Carmel H.S., IN Center Grove H.S., IN Centerville H.S., OH Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX Fishers H.S., IN Flower Mound H.S., TX Hamilton H.S., OH Homestead H.S., IN Huron Valley Schools, MI Lake Central H.S., IN Lakota East H.S., OH Lawrence Township, IN Marcus H.S., TX Mustang H.S., OK O’Fallon Township H.S., IL Plymouth-Canton E.P., MI Rockford H.S., MI Ronald Reagan H.S., TX Round Rock H.S., TX The Woodlands H.S., TX Vista Ridge H.S., TX Wando H.S., SC William Mason H.S., OH Pretty interesting how each class has virtually the exact same amount of representation and then AAA has half the amount of the others. Is there any particular reason for that? Surely there aren’t just less AAA bands in the country, right? In my mind it seems like that would be the most populated class. Yeah, Grand Nats doesn’t seem to garner a lot of AAA bands in comparison to the other classes. Something something locale, something something geography. Someone more articulate than I can explain why historically there are less Class AAA bands at Grand Nats than at other regionals when comparing between classes. 😝 |
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 4, 2021 11:35:18 GMT -6
Now break it down by panel for those of us who are too busy too lol Archbishop Alter - OH Beechwood - KY Clinton-Massie - OH East Clinton - OH Estill County - KY Greenon - OH Hollister - MO John Hardin - KY Logan Elm - OH Mark Twain - MO Milton-Union - OH Monrovia - IN Norton - OH Signal Mountain - TN St. Clairsville - OH Warren Local - OH Class A Panel 2 (12)Bishop Fenwick - OH Bourbon County - KY Carlisle - OH Carroll - OH Christian Academy of Louisville - KY Collinsville - OK Indian Hill - OH Murray - KY Owen County - KY Pinecrest Academy of Nevada Cadence - NV Russell Independent - KY University - IL Class AA Panel 1 (12)Central Crossing - OH Danville - IL Easley - SC Marian Catholic - IL Meade County - KY Morton - IL Munster - IN Neosho - MO Piqua - OH Pulaski County - KY Tippecanoe - OH Walter E. Stebbins - OH Class AA Panel 2 (16)Anderson County - KY Boyle County - KY Christian County - KY Davenport Central - IA Fairborn - OH Grayson County - KY Greendale - WI Greenfield Central - IN Jenison - MI Lake Hamilton - AR Miamisburg - OH Mount Pleasant - MI Nordonia - OH Northmont - OH Norwin - PA Talawanda - OH Class AAA Panel 1 (8)Blue Springs - MO Castle - IN Chattahoochee - TN DeSoto Central - MS Dobyns-Bennett - TN Nixa - MO Rosemount - MN Springboro - OH Class AAA Panel 2 (8)Central Hardin - KY Cleveland - NC Collinsville - IL Columbus Sound and Spirit - IN Franklin - TN Hardin Valley Academy - TN Lebanon - OH Milford - OH Class AAAA Panel 1 (13)Broken Arrow - OK Brownsburg - IN Centerville - OH Flower Mound - TX Homestead - IN Lake Central - IN Marcus - TX Mustang - OK Plymouth-Canton Ed Park - MI Ronald Reagan - TX Round Rock - TX Vista Ridge - TX William Mason - OH Class AAAA Panel 2 (14)
Avon - IN Bentonville - AR Carmel - IN Center Grove - IN Claudia Taylor Johnson - TX Fishers - IN Hamilton - OH Huron Valley - MI Lakota East - OH Lawrence Township - IN O'Fallon Township - IL Rockford - IL The Woodlands - TX Wando - SC |
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 4, 2021 11:40:56 GMT -6
Pretty interesting how each class has virtually the exact same amount of representation and then AAA has half the amount of the others. Is there any particular reason for that? Surely there aren’t just less AAA bands in the country, right? In my mind it seems like that would be the most populated class. Yeah, Grand Nats doesn’t seem to garner a lot of AAA bands in comparison to the other classes. Something something locale, something something geography. Someone more articulate than I can explain why historically there are less Class AAA bands at Grand Nats than at other regionals when comparing between classes. 😝 Music for All looks at the school sizes of bands participating across all BOA competitions, not just Grand Nationals. The classes are set up to give an approximately equal number of bands across the four classes. A significant portion of the AAA bands that participate in BOA events are from Texas and a very small portion of Texas bands participating in BOA make the trip to Grand Nationals. So, yes, geography has much to do with it. |
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Post by principalagent on Nov 4, 2021 11:54:00 GMT -6
I actually think it’s not unlikely that we have a 3A performance early Saturday morning.
On second glance, I think the band or two I’m thinking about land in the Next 8. But whew, it’s a tough year!
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 4, 2021 11:57:29 GMT -6
Curious if anyone knows the largest and smallest bands that will be attending this event. I was looking through some Missouri schools and Mark Twain is nearly a fourth the size of Sullivan, even though both fall under A. Niche.com has the school at roughly 230 9-12. That’s tiny! Are there any bands smaller attending?
Carmel is the largest, yes? I remember reading that it’s one of the largest high schools in the nation but I could always see a Texas school being bigger.
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Post by principalagent on Nov 4, 2021 12:04:27 GMT -6
Carmel is the largest school at Grand Nats, but there’s a school in Texas with 2000 more students.
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Post by lostchoirguy on Nov 4, 2021 12:05:03 GMT -6
Hmmm... I remember Collinsville, OK being pretty good. They've got Murray and Bourbon Co in their panel so I highly doubt semifinals is in the picture, but they could be competitive.
AAA Panel 2 seems especially weak. Who is strong enough to make semis on score there? Franklin, Cleveland, Central Hardin? With such a stacked field it wouldn't seem that odd for there to be a AAA class representative as stated above.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 4, 2021 12:06:45 GMT -6
Carmel is the largest school at Grand Nats, but there’s a school in Texas with 2000 more students. I know this one! Allen HS? |
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 4, 2021 12:08:09 GMT -6
Hmmm... I remember Collinsville, OK being pretty good. They've got Murray and Bourbon Co in their panel so I highly doubt semifinals is in the picture, but they could be competitive. AAA Panel 2 seems especially weak. Who is strong enough to make semis on score there? Franklin, Cleveland, Central Hardin? With such a stacked field it wouldn't seem that odd for there to be a AAA class representative as stated above. I’m pulling for Nixa to make it in as a rep, but I’m really unsure now. They had a great start to the season but faltered badly at St. Louis. I know they’re capable, but I just don’t know if this year will be the year. |
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 4, 2021 12:11:18 GMT -6
Curious if anyone knows the largest and smallest bands that will be attending this event. I was looking through some Missouri schools and Mark Twain is nearly a fourth the size of Sullivan, even though both fall under A. Niche.com has the school at roughly 230 9-12. That’s tiny! Are there any bands smaller attending? Carmel is the largest, yes? I remember reading that it’s one of the largest high schools in the nation but I could always see a Texas school being bigger. Largest and smallest bands? Or largest and smallest schools? |
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 4, 2021 12:13:51 GMT -6
Hmmm... I remember Collinsville, OK being pretty good. They've got Murray and Bourbon Co in their panel so I highly doubt semifinals is in the picture, but they could be competitive. AAA Panel 2 seems especially weak. Who is strong enough to make semis on score there? Franklin, Cleveland, Central Hardin? With such a stacked field it wouldn't seem that odd for there to be a AAA class representative as stated above. Collinsville is really starting to hit their stride. They sound so good for a band their size. While I don’t see them overtaking either Murray or Bourbon, I can’t see them placing lower than 3rd in class in their panel. |
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Post by principalagent on Nov 4, 2021 12:14:15 GMT -6
Hmmm... I remember Collinsville, OK being pretty good. They've got Murray and Bourbon Co in their panel so I highly doubt semifinals is in the picture, but they could be competitive. AAA Panel 2 seems especially weak. Who is strong enough to make semis on score there? Franklin, Cleveland, Central Hardin? With such a stacked field it wouldn't seem that odd for there to be a AAA class representative as stated above. I’m pulling for Nixa to make it in as a rep, but I’m really unsure now. They had a great start to the season but faltered badly at St. Louis. I know they’re capable, but I just don’t know if this year will be the year. There’s almost certainly no way on their panel, barring multiple catastrophes. Not sure they can do it on score either. The other panel would offer more of a shot, but Franklin is having a bounce back of a season and Cleveland seems to be in solid shape, too. |
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 4, 2021 12:14:30 GMT -6
Curious if anyone knows the largest and smallest bands that will be attending this event. I was looking through some Missouri schools and Mark Twain is nearly a fourth the size of Sullivan, even though both fall under A. Niche.com has the school at roughly 230 9-12. That’s tiny! Are there any bands smaller attending? Carmel is the largest, yes? I remember reading that it’s one of the largest high schools in the nation but I could always see a Texas school being bigger. Largest and smallest bands? Or largest and smallest schools? Schools, but both would be cool to know! It’s nothing imperative, though. My brain just craves useless trivia 😍 |
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 4, 2021 12:16:36 GMT -6
AA panels are, as usual, wildly unbalanced. Every single year. Panel 1 has Marian, Morton and Easley, while Panel 2 has Anderson County, Greenfield Central, Jenison, Lake Hamilton, Miamisburg and Norwin.
Top 2 in Panel 1 will no doubt be Marian and Morton, and I think Panel 2 will end up being Miamisburg and Anderson County. Though I’m not entirely counting out Jenison or Norwin.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 4, 2021 12:17:37 GMT -6
I’m pulling for Nixa to make it in as a rep, but I’m really unsure now. They had a great start to the season but faltered badly at St. Louis. I know they’re capable, but I just don’t know if this year will be the year. There’s almost certainly no way on their panel, barring multiple catastrophes. Not sure they can do it on score either. The other panel would offer more of a shot, but Franklin is having a bounce back of a season and Cleveland seems to be in solid shape, too. Right. I’m hopeful that they’ll work their way up to be in league with those you mentioned in a few years. If Sullivan, BSS, and Grain Valley don’t make it to Indy soon I really think they can be our third Missouri band, but only if they can take down those other incredible groups. |
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Post by Marching Observer on Nov 4, 2021 12:17:42 GMT -6
Shouldn't Columbus (IN) be in AAAA now due to combined schools? Just hasn't been updated yet.
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Post by bigtrombone on Nov 4, 2021 12:19:02 GMT -6
Tarpon Springs is NOT attending Grand Nationals in 2022. They will instead be doing the Macy's Parade.
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Post by Marching Observer on Nov 4, 2021 12:19:35 GMT -6
AA panels, as usual, wildly unbalanced. Every single year. Panel 1 has Marian, Morton and Easley (though the former two will no doubt nab the top two spots), while Panel 2 has Anderson County, Greenfield Central, Jenison, Lake Hamilton, Miamisburg and Norwin. I wouldn't really count out Munster in AA for panel one. I see spot two going between them and Morton ATM. But really agree that Class AA Panel 2 is a real RIP. A lot of good bands in there that will probably miss. |
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Post by Marching Observer on Nov 4, 2021 12:20:27 GMT -6
Tarpon Springs is NOT attending Grand Nationals in 2022. They will instead be doing the Macy's Parade. Shame. 😢 |
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 4, 2021 12:22:28 GMT -6
So, question- are panels decided at the beginning of the season? I feel like it’d make more sense to organize them later in the season, after reasonable assumptions can be made about how to balance the groups best so that deserving bands aren’t trapped in panels that suffocate them. Then again, that could be messy logistically…so I see a reason to do it either way.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 4, 2021 12:26:12 GMT -6
Tarpon Springs is NOT attending Grand Nationals in 2022. They will instead be doing the Macy's Parade. Disappointing! I guess we’ll have to wait yet another year to see them on this stage again. I wonder if they’ll go in 23 and 24 or just wait to get back on the rotation (or just reset it). Now I wish I were still in Marching Mizzou! They will also be attending in 2022. |
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 4, 2021 12:29:13 GMT -6
I actually think it’s not unlikely that we have a 3A performance early Saturday morning. On second glance, I think the band or two I’m thinking about land in the Next 8. But whew, it’s a tough year! Panel 2 is a little light on AAA. Franklin feels like an advancer on score (may even make Top 11 for the panel) but a band like Cleveland, Central Hardin, or Milford may need to outperform expectations to make the Next 8. |
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Post by trumpette123 on Nov 4, 2021 12:29:41 GMT -6
So, question- are panels decided at the beginning of the season? I feel like it’d make more sense to organize them later in the season, after reasonable assumptions can be made about how to balance the groups best so that deserving bands aren’t trapped in panels that suffocate them. Then again, that could be messy logistically…so I see a reason to do it either way. The panel each band gets on does seem kinda odd. We see they are essentially split in half for each class and each panel. So there has to be some sort of decision making. |
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 4, 2021 12:36:07 GMT -6
Largest and smallest bands? Or largest and smallest schools? Schools, but both would be cool to know! It’s nothing imperative, though. My brain just craves useless trivia 😍 Carmel has the highest enrollment of any competing band in BOA. It looks like the next highest regular participant in BOA is The Woodlands with roughly 1,000 less students. Looking at some rough lists online, Carmel is top 10 (possibly top 5?) in live-enrollment schools in the US. A few virtual schools jump the line if we include those. Allen looks to have roughly the same enrollment as Carmel. |
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 4, 2021 12:37:44 GMT -6
So, question- are panels decided at the beginning of the season? I feel like it’d make more sense to organize them later in the season, after reasonable assumptions can be made about how to balance the groups best so that deserving bands aren’t trapped in panels that suffocate them. Then again, that could be messy logistically…so I see a reason to do it either way. The panel each band gets on does seem kinda odd. We see they are essentially split in half for each class and each panel. So there has to be some sort of decision making. MFA attempts to balance the NUMBER of bands per class per panel, within the limitations of their scheduling policies (e.g. nearby bands requesting Thursday evening slots so they can go to school both days and more distant bands specifically requesting to be included in the early Friday slots to simplify travel and minimize school days missed). No adjustments are made for expected strength of bands which is why we often see situations where a greater number of potential class medalists are on one panel than the other. |
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 4, 2021 12:44:17 GMT -6
The panel each band gets on does seem kinda odd. We see they are essentially split in half for each class and each panel. So there has to be some sort of decision making. MFA attempts to balance the NUMBER of bands per class per panel, within the limitations of their scheduling policies (e.g. nearby bands requesting Thursday evening slots so they can go to school both days and more distant bands specifically requesting to be included in the early Friday slots to simplify travel and minimize school days missed). No adjustments are made for expected strength of bands which is why we often see situations where a greater number of potential class medalists are on one panel than the other. Totally understand that. It just is unfortunate how the cookie crumbles sometimes! |
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Post by dbalash on Nov 4, 2021 12:47:02 GMT -6
Hoping to see Camdenton establish a rotation. There was talk of it before the pandemic (with the intention of challenging Marian for the class title in Tarponless years, I would assume) but I’m not sure what the situation is now. Should the program continue to trend up, I can imagine that a rotation would be a realistic goal to achieve. Good morning. I think Camdenton is trending closer to falling into AAA by the time they figure out if they want to 'challenge' anyone. Why do a rotation when the big guns challenge or choose to be challenged every year?
And Marian could be trending down into 1A in years to come. Enrollment according to IHSA is 967 - add in the tuition that goes up every year ($12,700 for 2021-22, increasing by about $7,000 since I graduated in 2005). |
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Post by warehouse314 on Nov 4, 2021 12:55:01 GMT -6
Carmel is the largest school at Grand Nats, but there’s a school in Texas with 2000 more students. Holy $@#&... that's a lot of kids! |
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Post by trumpette123 on Nov 4, 2021 12:59:36 GMT -6
Carmel is the largest school at Grand Nats, but there’s a school in Texas with 2000 more students. Holy $@#&... that's a lot of kids! Allen, TX has 1 high school for the whole city They also have a stadium that is bigger than some college stadiums. IIRC. |
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