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Post by abtwitch on Nov 16, 2019 10:28:25 GMT -6
Much stronger run from Park Vista today! Back in my bubble, but nowhere near a lock.
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Nov 16, 2019 10:30:52 GMT -6
Are you serious? Their show rocks. Michael Gaines is a brilliant show designer, actually the best in the world. What standards are you talking about? I have been in this activity for over 30 years and your post does not make sense. No cattiness, just calling you out on your opinion of 5 year in a row top 32 Horn ranked band. Their horn line is powerful and DCI like lower brass! PVP will make finals. Bet on it! If you’ve been in this activity for 30 years, then you’d understand that the pacing of their show feels awkward, that it’s questionable to take ~45 seconds to pull the tarps together in the last third of the show (with no intention as to WHY they pull together, nor any event/resolution when they finally arrive in their... lotus flower[??] form), and that their winds (particularly the brass) do not play with enough balance or blend to justify a finals berth. I assessed Thursday night’s run based on how they performed that night—with no bias based on their staff or history—and unless if that run was an extreme anomaly, then I agree with others that their show has been overhyped. I would love to be proven wrong in 10 minutes. Best of luck to them! And with that, a MUCH better run on Thursday. A lot of the musical blemishes were gone. Still shaky high brass, still moments of uncharacteristic tone for the low brass, but woodwinds and percussion sounded stellar, and the ensemble sound/timing overall was pretty solid. Visually a very highly achieved run (in my opinion). I still think design and pacing hold them back; the transitions from movement to movement, while relatively produced, still seem forced and awkward. The Church Windows movement also seemed pretty unproduced... a lot of moments of visual silence that seemed less intentional and more “we ran out of time to make this happen.” If they earn a spot in finals tonight, it’ll be because the kids did their job, which is almost certainly better than an unachieved run moving on purely because of design. Again, best of luck to them—looking forward to see if and how they grow into the powerhouse we all want them to be in the future. |
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Nov 16, 2019 10:39:25 GMT -6
Anyone know what Union’s show is titled/about? I missed the opening announcement...
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Post by abtwitch on Nov 16, 2019 10:47:37 GMT -6
Anyone know what Union’s show is titled/about? I missed the opening announcement... An Orchestra's Guide to the Young Person |
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Post by drumcorpsgeek on Nov 16, 2019 10:55:40 GMT -6
Mason! Just Amazing!
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Post by drumcorpsgeek on Nov 16, 2019 11:14:30 GMT -6
LEANDER!!! Still in contention for Kevin!
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Post by marchinggeek on Nov 16, 2019 11:17:16 GMT -6
FLO MARCHING JUST WENT OFF BEFORE HEBRON!!! WHAT IS GOING ON. I had to close it and open it again, then the stream was back on. |
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 16, 2019 11:19:17 GMT -6
Most of us in the semis finals thread if you all want to join us for conversation. Thanks😊
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Post by drumcorpsgeek on Nov 16, 2019 11:27:15 GMT -6
Most of us in the semis finals thread if you all want to join us for conversation. Thanks😊 So that's where you all went!  Haven't checked! |
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Post by oboe12 on Nov 16, 2019 21:27:10 GMT -6
Hebron absolutely Texas'd themselves this year. They'll still be awesome and place in the top five, though. And probably win San Antonio and UIL next year. Pretty bold to say they probably win those two contests a year out given the incredible depth of bands in the state. I know I’m late but the joke for those of us who like certain Texas bands but aren’t from Texas is that a band can attend GN and be like fifth or lower, after having successful seasons prior, and then continue to be the best in Texas (FloMo and CTJ have both went in years and placed low then proceeded to win San Antonio the next year... CTJ has done it once, FloMo has done it twice and even won UIL one of those times.) it’s like a season ending in Indiana makes Texas bands change things in a way that hurts them. FloMo 2017 is a pretty great example. Awesome band. Awesome performers. But the show just wasn’t FloMo. |
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Post by emmam2019 on Nov 16, 2019 22:09:29 GMT -6
and as the scores are being tallied, this is my prediction
1. Vandegrift
2. Avon
3. Hebron (I hope they are 2nd tbh)
4. Leander
5. Carmel
6. William Mason
7. CTJ
8. Round Rock
9. Ayala
10. Union
11. Woodlands
12. Homestead
Sadly Just out....
13. Rockford (super clean and beautiful semis run)
14. Harrison
15. Park Vista
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Post by emmam2019 on Nov 16, 2019 22:12:13 GMT -6
Does anybody think that Rockford looks to have a promising future ahead of them after watching them today, and could possibly see them contend for finals in the next couple years???
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Post by dbalash on Nov 16, 2019 23:36:55 GMT -6
What happened to lake park 4 director changes in 16 years (I think...I might be forgetting one), show designs that have been lacking, an admin that is dispassionate in the program, and a changing marching band scene in Illinois. They're now a 2A bands at Chicago area shows (done by band size, 64-96 winds. 97+ is 3A.) I think I counted 100 kids on the field from a photo if I remember correctly. I'm honestly heartbroken for the program - they missed ISU finals for the first time ever, they haven't made a regional finals in 8 years (13th place in St. Louis with that "Save the Music" show (ugh)), haven't sniffed GN semis in 6 (2013, and prior to that 2010). 66.100, 71st place. Excuse me while I go cry in the corner. |
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 17, 2019 0:07:42 GMT -6
The top 40 consists of 25 bands from Panel 2 and 15 from Panel 1.
Yeesh.
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Post by thewho on Nov 17, 2019 1:27:41 GMT -6
Last round of congratulations for the end of the season. It's so tough each year, but we've been blessed with one of the truest displays of the best of the best at this year's Grand Nationals.
I'm so incredibly proud of our Indiana bands this year and the representation they had for this year's GN.
-Our bands in the preliminaries (Tipton, East Central, Monrovia, Lewis Cass, Lake Central, Floyd Central, Columbus North, Center Grove)
-Greenfield-Central for a strong performance in semis. Incredibly well-deserved Class B championship.
-Ben Davis, redemption for missing out on state finals.
-Brownsburg, capping off an incredibly solid and ascendant season. There were many doubters (including me), but the show just came together so, so well to building such an unique identity for the program. It says something when 18th feels right in your first go at GN.
-Lawrence Township, by far the pride of Indianapolis! 14th is absolutely nothing to sneeze at, especially when the arc of the season at the beginning was very different. I'm so incredibly excited for the next new thing LT does next year.
-Fishers, overcoming so many bumps in the road for an extremely high placement. It's very obvious that this was a pretty rough season going into the last few weeks with semi-state weather, state finals placement, and barely missing out on Finals.
-Homestead, for one of the best Homestead shows in years. It's clear there's a bit of an evolution going on within the program, and I'm so happy to see that change pay off for Homestead big time. This is such a refreshing style for the band that does feel distinctively Homestead- can't wait to see where the band will go next.
-Carmel, finally bringing the show together for once. It took a very long time to finally get it done, but the show was an absolute spectacle with Who Wants to Live Forever ballad and We Are the Champions closer.
-Avon, getting that one show to jump over the hump. I know being so close in 2nd is disappointing, but this was just outright a fantastic show all around on par with the 3-peat shows. We'll definitely be talking about this one for a long time.
Also congratulations to the 6 Texan bands for making finals altogether. Every single one was very deserving of a finals appearance. It's clear the shows are trailblazing a path of success for Texan bands at GN.
It was beyond wonderful to end up bumping into so many familiar faces from San Antonio! CTJ, in particular, after their excellent volunteer work. I hope many of were able to grab a moment to relax and enjoy everyone in Indy.
Thank you to all the staff and volunteers over 3 days to make this event a successful one. It's been a while since I remember not needing volunteers because we had so many.
Finally, a huge congratulations goes to Vandegrift for the incredible GN win. The show was just a testament and trust in the students to pull off something so ridiculously high-demand all the way through and seeing those students pass with flying colors. A fancy show design will get you in- a great band will win you the title. I know there will be inevitably a debate over Ronald Reagan vs. Vandgrift for this year. All I can say that SA RR = GN Finals Vandy. It's between those two.
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 17, 2019 1:30:50 GMT -6
Let’s just remember the only band to have not fallen to Avon in head to head competition.... is VANDEGRIFT
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Post by principalagent on Nov 17, 2019 3:29:46 GMT -6
Let’s just remember the only band to have not fallen to Avon in head to head competition.... is VANDEGRIFT And Lassiter  |
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Post by synthpatch14 on Nov 17, 2019 11:49:58 GMT -6
Holy moly. James Madison went from 41st in prelims to 29th in semis. They must've had a much better run. Also really impressive that they got to Semis on their 2nd trip to Grand Nats.
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Post by oboe12 on Nov 17, 2019 20:12:20 GMT -6
Absolute craziness on James Madison. I have no idea how they weren't in on score.
Also, I believe Bassett set a record this year (albeit not a great one). As far as I know of, no other band has attended three BOA events and scored worse in each one (81.3 at ETSU, 80.05 at Lynchburg, and 78.35 at GN).
Call me a homer, but I am of the very firm opinion that both of these bands should have been in. Maybe it's because Bassett performed after Carmel and Madison went on second in the morning, but I believe they definitely belonged in. Regardless, awesome job to the Virginia bands (including Rock Ridge!!) and hopefully we'll have a better showing next time.
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Post by verysaxy on Nov 17, 2019 20:31:10 GMT -6
Quick question - this sounds dumb - is it the same trophy passed around or do they make new Kevin’s every year? I thought they would just make a new one but it would make more sense if it just had to be returned by the next grand nats. Does anyone know?
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Post by thewho on Nov 17, 2019 21:03:14 GMT -6
Quick question - this sounds dumb - is it the same trophy passed around or do they make new Kevin’s every year? I thought they would just make a new one but it would make more sense if it just had to be returned by the next grand nats. Does anyone know? It is the same Kevin every year. The champions will have their school placed on a plaque on the lower sides of the trophy. Kevin is returned at the "biggest" BOA event the champions attend prior to Grnad Nationals- it's usually a Super Regional, but if not, just a typical BOA regional will do (this year, Carmel returned it at the Indy Super regional). In the case the champions do not choose to attend a BOA event, then I would imagine a ceremony would occur at the closest BOA regional to the school. |
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Post by supersound on Nov 17, 2019 21:05:30 GMT -6
Vandegrift will likely return Kevin at the San Antonio super regional, if BOA wants him back earlier then his return will probably be at the Austin regional.
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Post by supersound on Nov 17, 2019 21:06:51 GMT -6
Anyone know who’s Vandegrifts show designer is? If you have names of the other finalists bands designers or teams it’d be nice to know!
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Post by secret on Nov 17, 2019 21:25:42 GMT -6
Absolute craziness on James Madison. I have no idea how they weren't in on score. Also, I believe Bassett set a record this year (albeit not a great one). As far as I know of, no other band has attended three BOA events and scored worse in each one (81.3 at ETSU, 80.05 at Lynchburg, and 78.35 at GN). Call me a homer, but I am of the very firm opinion that both of these bands should have been in. Maybe it's because Bassett performed after Carmel and Madison went on second in the morning, but I believe they definitely belonged in. Regardless, awesome job to the Virginia bands (including Rock Ridge!!) and hopefully we'll have a better showing next time. Agreed. From the livestream, I am completely baffled as to how Madison was not in the top 25 and Bassett was not in semi-finals. I can name a few bands that got in that should not have. At what point will BOA stop rewarding bands simply for their size? |
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Post by Allohak on Nov 17, 2019 21:30:28 GMT -6
Absolute craziness on James Madison. I have no idea how they weren't in on score. Also, I believe Bassett set a record this year (albeit not a great one). As far as I know of, no other band has attended three BOA events and scored worse in each one (81.3 at ETSU, 80.05 at Lynchburg, and 78.35 at GN). Call me a homer, but I am of the very firm opinion that both of these bands should have been in. Maybe it's because Bassett performed after Carmel and Madison went on second in the morning, but I believe they definitely belonged in. Regardless, awesome job to the Virginia bands (including Rock Ridge!!) and hopefully we'll have a better showing next time. Agreed. From the livestream, I am completely baffled as to how Madison was not in the top 25 and Bassett was not in semi-finals. I can name a few bands that got in that should not have. At what point will BOA stop rewarding bands simply for their size?1993? 🤔😉 |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Nov 17, 2019 21:51:01 GMT -6
Agreed. From the livestream, I am completely baffled as to how Madison was not in the top 25 and Bassett was not in semi-finals. I can name a few bands that got in that should not have. At what point will BOA stop rewarding bands simply for their size?1993? 🤔😉 The outlier of all outliers. Perhaps the outlieriest. |
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 17, 2019 22:29:08 GMT -6
Anyone know who’s Vandegrifts show designer is? If you have names of the other finalists bands designers or teams it’d be nice to know! Winds arranger is JD Shaw, drill designer is Jeff Sacktig. |
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Post by principalagent on Nov 17, 2019 22:33:57 GMT -6
Anyone know who’s Vandegrifts show designer is? If you have names of the other finalists bands designers or teams it’d be nice to know! Winds arranger is JD Shaw, drill designer is Jeff Sacktig. Jeremy Spicer ans David Duffy do show design and coordination. |
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Post by yuh on Nov 17, 2019 23:09:47 GMT -6
Absolute craziness on James Madison. I have no idea how they weren't in on score. Also, I believe Bassett set a record this year (albeit not a great one). As far as I know of, no other band has attended three BOA events and scored worse in each one (81.3 at ETSU, 80.05 at Lynchburg, and 78.35 at GN). Call me a homer, but I am of the very firm opinion that both of these bands should have been in. Maybe it's because Bassett performed after Carmel and Madison went on second in the morning, but I believe they definitely belonged in. Regardless, awesome job to the Virginia bands (including Rock Ridge!!) and hopefully we'll have a better showing next time. Also considering the fact that Madison scored multiple points higher than Panther Creek at BOA Virginia and yet were around 5 points behind them during prelims. They were behind Bassett in prelims who they four pointed at BOA Virginia. |
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 17, 2019 23:15:08 GMT -6
Absolute craziness on James Madison. I have no idea how they weren't in on score. Also, I believe Bassett set a record this year (albeit not a great one). As far as I know of, no other band has attended three BOA events and scored worse in each one (81.3 at ETSU, 80.05 at Lynchburg, and 78.35 at GN). Call me a homer, but I am of the very firm opinion that both of these bands should have been in. Maybe it's because Bassett performed after Carmel and Madison went on second in the morning, but I believe they definitely belonged in. Regardless, awesome job to the Virginia bands (including Rock Ridge!!) and hopefully we'll have a better showing next time. Agreed. From the livestream, I am completely baffled as to how Madison was not in the top 25 and Bassett was not in semi-finals. I can name a few bands that got in that should not have. At what point will BOA stop rewarding bands simply for their size? Lol you're right but your conclusion is wrong. I was surprised on both bands. Bassett has a great run in prelims. It’s just the nature of the beast in the name of “effect.” Undeniable means undeniable in the eyes of the judges |
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