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UIL
Nov 2, 2023 0:36:25 GMT -6
Post by mikekyu on Nov 2, 2023 0:36:25 GMT -6
I guess Rivercrest, the new 4A state champs has very very few seniors as the school is new. They are setting up nicely it seems. Great job to the staff and students.
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UIL
Nov 2, 2023 6:52:45 GMT -6
Post by treblemaker2 on Nov 2, 2023 6:52:45 GMT -6
I believe the new 4A champ is Celina. Some really impressive 4A bands in finals last night, and a few others that I think just missed finals but will be on our radar soon.
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Post by idleclasher on Nov 2, 2023 9:49:06 GMT -6
Surprised no one has posted these!
4A State Finals Placements/Scores
1. Celina HS - 14 (Music 3) 2. Panther Creek HS - 20 (Music 1, Music 2, Visual 2) 3. Anna HS - 22 4. China Spring HS - 32 5. Sulphur Springs HS - 36 6. Davenport HS - 41 (Visual 1) 7. Calallen HS - 51 8. Canyon HS - 53 9. North Lamar HS - 57 10. West Plains HS - 59
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Post by lostchoirguy on Nov 2, 2023 15:38:14 GMT -6
Celina and Anna are both fast growing areas that will likely move up to 5A in the coming years. Panther Creek is a brand new school and will definitely be moving up. I haven't seen their snapshot numbers but I would guess they will be 5A next cycle. Their success reminds me a bit of Vandegrift. They could end up being a strong contender in 5A.
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Post by idleclasher on Nov 2, 2023 16:47:10 GMT -6
I was bored, and feel like smaller bands don't get nearly the recognition they deserve. Therefore, I did some research and threw this together. Notes about each 2A finalist band of their history at the UIL SMBC Rivercrest HS - Rivercrest has appeared at state 3 times, all in the last 3 years. This year, however, was their first finalist appearance in school history. (See abtwitch's post from a few days ago as well!) Clarksville HS - Clarksville has appeared at state a total of 7 times. Their first appearance was in 2000 as a class 3A, but they didn't appear again until 2011 as a class 1A. Their first appearance in class 2A was in 2015, and then in 2017, they won the state title. They have since appeared at state 3 years in a row. Panhandle HS - Panhandle has appeared at state 7 times, first appearing in 2007. They have advanced to finals 6 times out of their 7 appearances. This year is the second year in a row the band has made state, and the highest placement they’ve ever made in finals! Shiner HS - Shiner has been to state 9 times, first appearing in 2005 as a class 1A school. They would win class 1A in 2013, and then go on to appear again 4 years later in 2017 as a class 2A band. They would come in at 2nd in 2021, and win the contest last year. Not counting 2020, this is the band’s 5th consecutive appearance at state. Valley Mills HS - Valley Mills has appeared at state 4 times, first in 2017, placing in a close second. In 2018, they would come back and claim their title as champions. This year marks the second year in a row the band has made state. Sundown HS - Sundown has an incredibly rich history at the UIL SMBC in classes 1A and 2A. They have made state a total of 28 times, their first appearance dating all the way back to the FIRST EVER UIL state contest in 1979 as a “B” class school. As a 1A school, they have appeared 13 times (never missing finals), and winning class 1A 7 times, including the weird situation in 2003, where they were named “State Co-champion”* (see below). As a 2A school, they have appeared at state 14 times, and finals 12 times. As of this year, the band has appeared at state 23 (!!) times in a row (including 2020). Tenaha HS - Tenaha has appeared at state 7 times, first in 2007 as a class 1A school. They would make their first appearance as a class 2A school in 2020, winning the next year in 2021. They have been to state 4 years in a row. *According to the UIL, a “misapplication of a caption of the contest rules regarding first place votes occurred.” Basically, they messed up counting scores, missing 3 first place votes for the silver medalist, Throckmorton. Therefore, they awarded both bands as the champions. smbc.uiltexas.org/2003-1A-footnote.htm
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Post by hostrauser on Nov 3, 2023 17:38:43 GMT -6
I was bored, and feel like smaller bands don't get nearly the recognition they deserve. Therefore, I did some research and threw this together. Sundown HS - Sundown has an incredibly rich history at the UIL SMBC in classes 1A and 2A. They have made state a total of 28 times, their first appearance dating all the way back to the FIRST EVER UIL state contest in 1979 as a “B” class school. As a 1A school, they have appeared 13 times (never missing finals), and winning class 1A 7 times, including the weird situation in 2003, where they were named “State Co-champion”* (see below). As a 2A school, they have appeared at state 14 times, and finals 12 times. As of this year, the band has appeared at state 23 (!!) times in a row (including 2020). *According to the UIL, a “misapplication of a caption of the contest rules regarding first place votes occurred.” Basically, they messed up counting scores, missing 3 first place votes for the silver medalist, Throckmorton. Therefore, they awarded both bands as the champions. smbc.uiltexas.org/2003-1A-footnote.htmThis was maybe ten years ago when they were 1A, I watched a YouTube video of Sundown and was really impressed by their sound. They had about 110-115 performers on the field. The total 9-12 school enrollment that year was 165.
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UIL
Nov 4, 2023 21:57:24 GMT -6
Post by abtwitch on Nov 4, 2023 21:57:24 GMT -6
I was bored, and feel like smaller bands don't get nearly the recognition they deserve. Therefore, I did some research and threw this together. Notes about each 2A finalist band of their history at the UIL SMBC Rivercrest HS - Rivercrest has appeared at state 3 times, every year since they’ve opened. Therefore, this year was the third year in a row the band has advanced to state, and their first finalist appearance in school history. The current senior class is the first graduating class of the school. (See abtwitch's post from a few days ago as well!) Rivercrest is a fairly old school opening in 1965, and the district has been around since at least the early 1900s. Not sure where you found the information that they only just recently opened.
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UIL
Nov 6, 2023 21:13:25 GMT -6
Post by mikekyu on Nov 6, 2023 21:13:25 GMT -6
5A Preliminary results as reported, not yet posted so take this with a grain of salt.
1. Cedar Park - 12
2. Rouse - 17
3. Wakeland - 23
4. Leander - 25
5. Forney - 45
6. Centennial - 54
7. Lone Star - 62
8. Roma - 62
9. Friendswood - 67
10. Richland - 67
11. Lebanon Trail - 70
12. Hendrickson - 74
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UIL
Nov 6, 2023 21:14:37 GMT -6
Post by yayband914 on Nov 6, 2023 21:14:37 GMT -6
5A Preliminary results as reported, not yet posted so take this with a grain of salt. 1. Cedar Park - 12 2. Rouse - 17 3. Wakeland - 23 4. Leander - 25 5. Forney - 45 6. Centennial - 54 7. Lone Star - 62 8. Roma - 62 9. Friendswood - 67 10. Richland - 67 11. Lebanon Trail - 70 12. Hendrickson - 74 The results are true. I have access to the prelims recap on CompetitionSuite (but no, I will not share).
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UIL
Nov 6, 2023 21:23:51 GMT -6
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Post by LeanderMomma on Nov 6, 2023 21:23:51 GMT -6
I thought for sure that Rouse would continue their momentum right to a gold medal but I could end up being wrong.
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UIL
Nov 6, 2023 21:25:25 GMT -6
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Post by idleclasher on Nov 6, 2023 21:25:25 GMT -6
5A Preliminary results as reported, not yet posted so take this with a grain of salt. 1. Cedar Park - 12 2. Rouse - 17 3. Wakeland - 23 4. Leander - 25 5. Forney - 45 6. Centennial - 54 7. Lone Star - 62 8. Roma - 62 9. Friendswood - 67 10. Richland - 67 11. Lebanon Trail - 70 12. Hendrickson - 74 For those wondering, according to yayband, Aledo was first out with an 82.
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UIL
Nov 7, 2023 0:53:10 GMT -6
Post by croutonjones on Nov 7, 2023 0:53:10 GMT -6
I thought for sure that Rouse would continue their momentum right to a gold medal but I could end up being wrong. Really goes to show how the scoring differs between BOA and UIL, I guess. I don't personally get UIL judging, but I suppose that's why I appreciate BOA scoring more.
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Post by mikekyu on Nov 7, 2023 2:38:28 GMT -6
I thought for sure that Rouse would continue their momentum right to a gold medal but I could end up being wrong. Really goes to show how the scoring differs between BOA and UIL, I guess. I don't personally get UIL judging, but I suppose that's why I appreciate BOA scoring more. I look at the differences very differently. UIL-- Way more focused on the performances by the student BOA -- More focus is given to the staff and design decisions I prefer UIL scoring to BOA scoring. We want to see how the students are performing the show that they have been taught.
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UIL
Nov 7, 2023 9:27:31 GMT -6
Post by croutonjones on Nov 7, 2023 9:27:31 GMT -6
Really goes to show how the scoring differs between BOA and UIL, I guess. I don't personally get UIL judging, but I suppose that's why I appreciate BOA scoring more. I look at the differences very differently. UIL-- Way more focused on the performances by the student BOA -- More focus is given to the staff and design decisions I prefer UIL scoring to BOA scoring. We want to see how the students are performing the show that they have been taught. I don't think we see things differently, we just say what they are differently UIL - Focuses on and provides weight to technique and music BOA - Focuses on and provides weight to general effect and marching/playing complexity I love well-played music, and that certainly impacts overall performance, but UIL scoring tends to neglect how a show makes the audience _feel_. And I think that's a shame.
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UIL
Nov 7, 2023 12:45:59 GMT -6
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Nov 7, 2023 12:45:59 GMT -6
I look at the differences very differently. UIL-- Way more focused on the performances by the student BOA -- More focus is given to the staff and design decisions I prefer UIL scoring to BOA scoring. We want to see how the students are performing the show that they have been taught. I don't think we see things differently, we just say what they are differently UIL - Focuses on and provides weight to technique and music BOA - Focuses on and provides weight to general effect and marching/playing complexity I love well-played music, and that certainly impacts overall performance, but UIL scoring tends to neglect how a show makes the audience _feel_. And I think that's a shame. These are just 2 different adjudication philosophies. I find it a shame that BOA seems to focus less on students and more on design, designer and very subjective aspects of the program. It’s almost seems commercialized to capture more revenue streams from program’s and states that don’t have a competitive music arts culture. Again, absolutizing one circuit’s adjudication over another is problematic . UIL is not perfect and let’s be honest nore is BOA. Marching Band is and always will be a subjective sport.
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Post by 18Saxes on Nov 7, 2023 12:57:43 GMT -6
While GE does make up a larger portion of the overall score than Music and Visual performance do, I believe people overestimate how much of GE is judging only the design of the show. According to the BOA adjudication handbook, about half of GE is judging the work of the design staff, while the other half is judging how the students perform what they are given.
With all this in mind, I do agree neither judging philosophies are perfect, and I wish BOA gave less weight to GE. I just want to clear potential misconceptions.
In addition to checking out the BOA adjudication handbook that is on the MFA website, I also recommend checking out the Break Ranks podcast done by Dan Potter, particularly episode 3 where Dan talks with three BOA chief judges. John Phillips, Nola Jones, and Richard Saucedo provide some nice insight into their judging philosophy. This can be found on YouTube on the MFA channel.
I'm clearly quite biased, and I realize that.
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UIL
Nov 7, 2023 13:15:57 GMT -6
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Nov 7, 2023 13:15:57 GMT -6
While GE does make up a larger portion of the overall score than Music and Visual performance do, I believe people overestimate how much of GE is judging only the design of the show. According to the BOA adjudication handbook, about half of GE is judging the work of the design staff, while the other half is judging how the students perform what they are given. With all this in mind, I do agree neither judging philosophies are perfect, and I wish BOA gave less weight to GE. I just want to clear potential misconceptions. In addition to checking out the BOA adjudication handbook that is on the MFA website, I also recommend checking out the Break Ranks podcast done by Dan Potter, particularly episode 3 where Dan talks with three BOA chief judges. John Phillips, Nola Jones, and Richard Saucedo provide some nice insight into their judging philosophy. This can be found on YouTube on the MFA channel. I'm clearly quite biased, and I realize that. I do appreciate your input and I am familiar with that particular pod cast. While I’m no Saucedo arrangements fan I do love me some Dan P. 😎. We southerners have read the BOA adjudication handbook. Now many times we do read it within biased critical lenses of course but let’s be honest we all are ALL quite biased. Speaking of misconceptions. Can we just stop with the “Texas loud” nonsense? Like as if thought its a bad thing. I think I have said it before but maybe UIL, ISSMA and BOA should adopt a scoring system closer to DCI? But even then I still see potential problems. 😂. We’re all working though the imperfect systems that we love and have been accustomed too. Maybe some day our kids and grandkids will crack the code? Probably not though.
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Post by vidal28rdg on Nov 7, 2023 13:28:54 GMT -6
If I’m a director, part of the staff, telling the students to move the audience through the performance, you can’t control how an audience feels but make them feel something, that can be impactful, but at the same time I’d very much advocate the “your performance is the effect” philosophy.
If you can’t immerse your audience through your ability in performing your music first and foremost, the visual/everything else isn’t as impactful. With music and impact being achieved comes a good performance, not necessarily achieved through difficulty alone. There’s a lot that can be done to achieve this, unique instrumentation, arrangements and specialization. Having a niche, as many groups in the state are building up, helps with that.
I think UIL is very correct in taking the performance of various captions into account in their and having an “all-around” point of view when it comes to a program and their capabilities. On top of that, a staff can also have this be more in their control as to what they have to do to improve, the directions taken to get better are more concrete imo compared to BOA. On the flip side of some arguments I’ve seen, I’ve enjoyed several non-BOA finalists’ performances in the moment more so than some finalists and I hear some justification as to why a band didn’t make finals kinda boiled down to, “they didn’t GE enough” basically. It can go both ways, a very unsatisfactory justification that has to be elaborated on more because it’s a fairly subjective argument to make. Especially when margins are so tight in performance captions where GE usually ends up being a deciding factor.
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UIL
Nov 7, 2023 15:13:13 GMT -6
Post by mikekyu on Nov 7, 2023 15:13:13 GMT -6
If someone can crack the code of competitive art, I would much rather them work on solving our National Debt or free energy.
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Post by mikekyu on Nov 7, 2023 16:44:59 GMT -6
Rouse and Cedar Park back to back for the State Title. What an amazing 25 minutes
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Post by mikekyu on Nov 7, 2023 17:28:51 GMT -6
All of the top half bands brought it. Wow!! 10 years ago I would be grateful if this was the top half of grand nationals. It's amazing to see the activity progress so much so rapidly.
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Post by abtwitch on Nov 7, 2023 17:46:08 GMT -6
Everyone had a better run in Finals except for Rouse, who was just as good as they were in prelims, what a fantastic Finals! I think Cedar Park takes it decisively, their performance was mind-bogglingly good.
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Post by idleclasher on Nov 7, 2023 18:11:30 GMT -6
5A Finals Results/Scores
1. Cedar Park - 14
2. Rouse - 17
3. Wakeland - 27
4. Forney - 31
5. Leander - 32
6. Burleson Centennial - 36
7. Lone Star - 61
8. Hendrickson - 62
9. Richland - 62
10. Roma - 66
11. Friendswood - 67
12. Lebanon Trail - 72
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Post by mikekyu on Nov 7, 2023 18:18:22 GMT -6
Cedar Park is the most consistent band in any contest for a finals run that I can think of. Their state finals runs are always the best of the season. Not sure what they are putting in the blue water jugs but gheez.....
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Post by idleclasher on Nov 7, 2023 18:18:46 GMT -6
Congrats to Cedar Park on their 5th consecutive title!
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UIL
Nov 7, 2023 18:52:26 GMT -6
Post by crowncrawler on Nov 7, 2023 18:52:26 GMT -6
Wow that is NOT what I expected to see tonight (granted I didn't get to watch any of it, tho everyone has said Cedar Park was unreal)
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UIL
Nov 7, 2023 19:26:26 GMT -6
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Post by idleclasher on Nov 7, 2023 19:26:26 GMT -6
5A Finals Results/Scores (when they are posted)1. Cedar Park - 14 2. Rouse - 17 3. Wakeland - 27 4. Forney - 31 5. Leander - 32 6. Burleson Centennial - 36 7. Lone Star - 61 8. Hendrickson - 62 9. Richland - 62 10. Roma - 66 11. Friendswood - 67 12. Lebanon Trail - 72 Updated with scores
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Post by LeanderMomma on Nov 7, 2023 19:40:32 GMT -6
Congratulations to the Cedar Park Timberwolf band! I was all #TeamRouse this season until I watched Cedar Park and their finals run in the Alamodome a little while ago. I immediately knew they had clenched it. Just fantastic!!!! I still loved Rouse but just instantly felt that CP was giving us a first place show performance today.
Kudos also to Wakeland and Forney….wow they were incredible today!!!!
Lastly I want to say how proud I am of the Leander Band. Y’all might not know but a LOT of the kids were pretty sick today including the French horn and our Tuba/Trombone soloists. They powered through what’s definitely been a challenging season and took 5th place in 5A amongst the very best. Great job Leander!!
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Post by jmike16 on Nov 8, 2023 0:06:46 GMT -6
1A State Finals Awards!
Champion - Menard HS (9) Silver Medalist - Irion County (10) Bronze Medalist - Cross Plains (16) 4th - Whiteface (20) 5th - Knox City (23) 6th - McDade (28) 7th - Baird (34)
Numbers in parenthesis are the ordinals.
I wanted to give a special shout out to the Menard HS Band! They are the back-to-back 1A State Champions and has had 2 separate directors when they had won in 2021 and then this year, 2023! They sadly were not able to field a show in 2022, so the fact they came out on top this year is remarkable!!
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Post by allthingschaotic on Mar 25, 2024 17:07:20 GMT -6
Happy UIL music/TMEA realignment day!
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