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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 27, 2022 19:43:05 GMT -6
(Speaking of Amherst, here's hoping the Copley scores cross your path.) I've been told the scores for 1st and 2nd place. Amherst Steele scored 91.66, and Brunswick scored 89.04. Thanks! Do you know if Norton was second overall?
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Post by neop on Oct 27, 2022 19:54:09 GMT -6
I've been told the scores for 1st and 2nd place. Amherst Steele scored 91.66, and Brunswick scored 89.04. Thanks! Do you know if Norton was second overall? Brunswick came in 2nd. Medina was 3rd, and Norton was 4th.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 27, 2022 21:32:52 GMT -6
Thanks! Do you know if Norton was second overall? Brunswick came in 2nd. Medina was 3rd, and Norton was 4th. Very interesting. Now the Buckeye Invitational result for them is looking like a bit of an outlier. There they were three points ahead of Medina. I wonder if the judges were thinking more about putting space between Norton and Louisville in Class A than about how Norton was comparing to the Class AA bands. I personally had Norton behind Louisville at OSU and have been wondering how I got it so wrong. But given the Copley results and the fact that Louisville got the highest score at the New Philadelphia competition this past weekend over Nordonia and Hoover, I wonder if my instincts weren't right after all! I know, I know, different shows, different days. A person sitting near me at OSU was also rating the Class A bands, and she had Norton in the lead. And Norton has been wildly inconsistent at times in the past, so that could be all this is.
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Post by neop on Oct 28, 2022 0:20:04 GMT -6
While doing the math on ratings at state, I found that the chance of a band getting a III is significantly higher this year versus last year. I wonder if that indicates a normal return to slightly lower, pre-COVID caliber scoring (which I have no data on) or that we may see the first III since 2014 this year? There are a few bands this year that appear to have gotten an inflated score, qualifying for state, and then scored well below the I/II line the rest of the season. I suspect that that isn't too unusual, but again, I have no data for pre-2021.
My analysis had some slightly elevated concerns about London, which qualified at Ohio State with a 78.98, but got two IIs last weekend, including scoring a 71.2 at Shawnee.
London's season looked like this: 9/17 Logan Elm - 69 (II) 9/24 Northwestern - 73.6 (II) 10/15 Ohio State - 78.98 (I) 10/22 Shawnee - 71.2 (II) 10/22 Thomas Worthington - 76.5 (II)
Maybe they had a rough day of shows on 10/22 after adding new material the week prior, or maybe their score was inflated on 10/15. It could also be both, or even neither.
Of course, a "significantly" higher than normal chance of something so rare happening still doesn't make it very likely, but I thought it was interesting. At the very least, it provides me with the chance to be totally wrong and make my model more accurate as a result!
Since I've never seen a band be announced as receiving a III at state, does anyone know if they still announce it the same way as a I or II? Do they say "Three, Good! Congratulations!" just like they would announce a "Two, Excellent! Congratulations!" or a "One, Superior! Congratulations!"? I can't imagine how else they would do it, but I still can't picture it. I also can't help but speculate that the almost complete lack of IIIs at state since 2007 is representative of an ideological shift on OMEA's part.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 28, 2022 1:02:11 GMT -6
Since I've never seen a band be announced as receiving a III at state, does anyone know if they still announce it the same way as a I or II? Do they say "Three, Good! Congratulations!" just like they would announce a "Two, Excellent! Congratulations!" or a "One, Superior! Congratulations!"? I can't imagine how else they would do it, but I still can't picture it. I also can't help but speculate that the almost complete lack of IIIs at state since 2007 is representative of an ideological shift on OMEA's part.
Yes, that's how they do it: "Three, Good! Congratulations!" Since I wasn't following OMEA closely in the aughts, I can't say whether there was a shift. If there was, it may have been that they tightened up expectations in the local shows so as to keep erratic, potentially merely "Good" bands from advancing. Since I started attending every day of state in 2014, the only band I saw that I thought was going to get a III was the one that actually did. London's 76.5 at Worthington seems about right to me, so pending a disastrous run, I think they're probably safe, but we'll see! Last year there was a band who scored in the high 80s on the final regular season weekend, winning G.E. at that event, and then at state the next week, both G.E. judges gave them a II, putting them closer to an overall II than they probably expected. (Their consistency in performance saved them.) London does at least have another nine days to polish.
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Post by midwestfan on Oct 28, 2022 5:28:45 GMT -6
Thanks! Do you know if Norton was second overall? Brunswick came in 2nd. Medina was 3rd, and Norton was 4th. Amherst, Brunswick, Norton, Medina was the results. Medina was 4th.
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Post by midwestfan on Oct 28, 2022 6:01:36 GMT -6
Brunswick came in 2nd. Medina was 3rd, and Norton was 4th. Very interesting. Now the Buckeye Invitational result for them is looking like a bit of an outlier. There they were three points ahead of Medina. I wonder if the judges were thinking more about putting space between Norton and Louisville in Class A than about how Norton was comparing to the Class AA bands. I personally had Norton behind Louisville at OSU and have been wondering how I got it so wrong. But given the Copley results and the fact that Louisville got the highest score at the New Philadelphia competition this past weekend over Nordonia and Hoover, I wonder if my instincts weren't right after all! I know, I know, different shows, different days. A person sitting near me at OSU was also rating the Class A bands, and she had Norton in the lead. And Norton has been wildly inconsistent at times in the past, so that could be all this is. Being at both shows, the biggest difference was the caliber of the judging panel. The OSU show is becoming the premier show and compiles a strong panel. The Copley show had a typical OMEA panel, full of older judges that seem to rank rather predictably. Practically the order of performance. The top scores aligned with OSU surpisingly well. Norton's score being so close to Brunswick, made sense. Medina's achievement has been consistent this season. The outlier here was Amherst. In my opinion, Brunswick and Norton had the superior design, and more consistent achievement. Amherst was musically exciting, but their show was simple and one-dimensional. My ranking had a tossup between Norton and Brunswick for first and second, Amherst in third, and Medina 4th. I should also note that Cloverleaf made a nice showing. Show design is really improving, overall sound is a work in process but the program seems to be moving in the right direction. Strong guard and percussion. I think Cloverleaf was first overall in Guard, with Norton second overall, and their percussion may have been second overall after Norton, but not sure. I will agree that Norton has not always been consistent but mostly comparing beginning of season to late. Brunswick as well. This year Norton has been pretty consistent and achieved at both OMEA and BOA. I have not seen Brunswick until this show. They seem to be coming back.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 28, 2022 10:57:56 GMT -6
Very interesting. Now the Buckeye Invitational result for them is looking like a bit of an outlier. There they were three points ahead of Medina. I wonder if the judges were thinking more about putting space between Norton and Louisville in Class A than about how Norton was comparing to the Class AA bands. I personally had Norton behind Louisville at OSU and have been wondering how I got it so wrong. But given the Copley results and the fact that Louisville got the highest score at the New Philadelphia competition this past weekend over Nordonia and Hoover, I wonder if my instincts weren't right after all! I know, I know, different shows, different days. A person sitting near me at OSU was also rating the Class A bands, and she had Norton in the lead. And Norton has been wildly inconsistent at times in the past, so that could be all this is. Being at both shows, the biggest difference was the caliber of the judging panel. The OSU show is becoming the premier show and compiles a strong panel. The Copley show had a typical OMEA panel, full of older judges that seem to rank rather predictably. Practically the order of performance. The top scores aligned with OSU surprisingly well. Norton's score being so close to Brunswick, made sense. Medina's achievement has been consistent this season. The outlier here was Amherst. In my opinion, Brunswick and Norton had the superior design, and more consistent achievement. Amherst was musically exciting, but their show was simple and one-dimensional. My ranking had a tossup between Norton and Brunswick for first and second, Amherst in third, and Medina 4th. I should also note that Cloverleaf made a nice showing. Show design is really improving, overall sound is a work in process but the program seems to be moving in the right direction. Strong guard and percussion. I think Cloverleaf was first overall in Guard, with Norton second overall, and their percussion may have been second overall after Norton, but not sure. I will agree that Norton has not always been consistent but mostly comparing beginning of season to late. Brunswick as well. This year Norton has been pretty consistent and achieved at both OMEA and BOA. I have not seen Brunswick until this show. They seem to be coming back. At the Revere competition in September, I thought Cloverleaf had the best designed show of all the bands in all classes (never mind the obvious borrowing from Boston Crusaders), flowing very nicely and always directing the audience's attention where it needed to be.
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Post by neop on Oct 28, 2022 13:14:13 GMT -6
Brunswick came in 2nd. Medina was 3rd, and Norton was 4th. Amherst, Brunswick, Norton, Medina was the results. Medina was 4th. Hmm, maybe the member I asked heard incorrectly. Thanks! You wouldn't happen to know any scores, would you?
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Post by neop on Oct 28, 2022 13:15:38 GMT -6
Being at both shows, the biggest difference was the caliber of the judging panel. The OSU show is becoming the premier show and compiles a strong panel. The Copley show had a typical OMEA panel, full of older judges that seem to rank rather predictably. Practically the order of performance. The top scores aligned with OSU surprisingly well. Norton's score being so close to Brunswick, made sense. Medina's achievement has been consistent this season. The outlier here was Amherst. In my opinion, Brunswick and Norton had the superior design, and more consistent achievement. Amherst was musically exciting, but their show was simple and one-dimensional. My ranking had a tossup between Norton and Brunswick for first and second, Amherst in third, and Medina 4th. I should also note that Cloverleaf made a nice showing. Show design is really improving, overall sound is a work in process but the program seems to be moving in the right direction. Strong guard and percussion. I think Cloverleaf was first overall in Guard, with Norton second overall, and their percussion may have been second overall after Norton, but not sure. I will agree that Norton has not always been consistent but mostly comparing beginning of season to late. Brunswick as well. This year Norton has been pretty consistent and achieved at both OMEA and BOA. I have not seen Brunswick until this show. They seem to be coming back. At the Revere competition in September, I thought Cloverleaf had the best designed show of all the bands in all classes (never mind the obvious borrowing from Boston Crusaders), flowing very nicely and always directing the audience's attention where it needed to be. I had the pleasure of seeing Cloverleaf four times this season, at Revere, Norton, Avon Lake, and Copley. I really enjoy their show, and they have grown into it nicely over the course of the season.
Having graduated from Amherst, I can tell you that the director is a big fan of shows with straightforward, crowd pleasing themes. It has served them very well in OMEA, but I think it's a big reason why they wouldn't do so well in BOA. We always tended to fill out our show about 90% of the way by the first competition, and then the rest of the season would be a grueling effort to squeeze out any little bit of improvement left. I will say that the sorts of changes to their show this season do give me hope for further modernization in the near future. I like what the new assistant director has brought to the program.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 28, 2022 16:03:54 GMT -6
Having graduated from Amherst, I can tell you that the director is a big fan of shows with straightforward, crowd pleasing themes. It has served them very well in OMEA, but I think it's a big reason why they wouldn't do so well in BOA. We always tended to fill out our show about 90% of the way by the first competition, and then the rest of the season would be a grueling effort to squeeze out any little bit of improvement left. I will say that the sorts of changes to their show this season do give me hope for further modernization in the near future. I like what the new assistant director has brought to the program.
To the degree that this is accurate, I would say that it's a flaw in BOA. As Stanley Kauffmann once said of Francis Ford Coppola: he gets into trouble when he thinks he's thinking. Most show designers are better off relying on their feelings and taste and not trying to intellectualize their work. But I'm not sure BOA has any real objection to simple themes of the sort that Amherst presents. The winning Class A show in BOA last year was straightforward crowd-pleasing material that worked best if you didn't think about it too much.
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Post by neop on Oct 29, 2022 10:51:03 GMT -6
OMEA SMBF Day 1 - Hilliard Bradley 10/29
Time
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| 10:30 AM
| Meadowbrook (B)
| 2019 (II - B)
| I
| 10:45 AM
| Meigs (B)
| 2021 (II - B)
| II
| 11:00 AM
| Reynoldsburg (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 11:15 AM
| Fairfield (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 11:30 AM
| Westerville North (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 11:45 AM
| Hilliard Bradley (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
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| 12:15 PM
| Licking Valley (B)
| 2021 (II - B)
| II
| 12:30 PM
| Bloom Carroll (B)
| 2021 (I - B)
| I
| 12:45 PM
| Central Crossing (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 1:00 PM
| North Royalton (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 1:15 PM
| Hilliard Davidson (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 1:30 PM
| Hoover (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
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| 2:00 PM
| South Point (B)
| 2021 (I - B)
| I
| 2:15 PM
| Louisville (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| I
| 2:30 PM
| Amherst Steele (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 2:45 PM
| Berne Union (AA)
| 2021 (I - A)
| I
| 3:00 PM
| Olentangy (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 3:15 PM
| Medina (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
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| 3:45 PM
| Lexington (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| I
| 4:00 PM
| Marion Harding (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| II
| 4:15 PM
| New Philadelphia (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| II
| 4:30 PM
| Dublin Coffman (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 4:45 PM
| Middletown (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 5:00 PM
| Westerville South (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
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| 5:30 PM
| Dawson-Bryant (C)
| 2021 (II - C)
| I
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| Teays Valley (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| I
| 6:00 PM
| Westland (AA)
| 2021 (II - AA)
| I
| 6:15 PM
| Sycamore (AA)
| 2012 (I - AA)
| I
| 6:30 PM
| Avon (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
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| Hilliard Darby (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
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| Highland (B)
| 2021 (II - B)
| I
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| Tri-Valley (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| II
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| Thomas Worthington (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 8:00 PM
| Dublin Scioto (AA)
| 2021 (II - AA)
| I
| 8:15 PM
| Olentangy Liberty (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 8:30 PM
| Licking Heights (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
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| 9:00 PM
| Madeira (B)
| 2021 (I - B)
| I
| 9:15 PM
| Franklin Heights (A)
| 2021 (II - A)
| II
| 9:30 PM
| Newark (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 9:45 PM
| Loveland (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| II
| 10:00 PM
| Grove City (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 10:15 PM
| Dublin Jerome (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 10:30 PM
| Pickerington Central (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
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Post by neop on Oct 29, 2022 12:15:52 GMT -6
Overheard some chatter from the press box during the livestream that might indicate that South Point received a timing penalty. We'll see if that affects their rating.
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Post by neop on Oct 29, 2022 13:58:42 GMT -6
Overheard some chatter from the press box during the livestream that might indicate that South Point received a timing penalty. We'll see if that affects their rating. Well, if they got a penalty, it didn't end up mattering. Very few IIs issued so far today.
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Post by neop on Oct 29, 2022 14:37:14 GMT -6
We have our first livestream casualty of the day, with the entirety of Dublin Coffman's and Middletown's performances being plagued by intermittent stuttering audio. Several fruitless restarts of the stream on OMEA's end suggest that the same problem will be affecting Westerville South in a moment.
Update 1: On the contrary, they turned the stream off entirely! Looks like I'm gonna miss Westerville South. Hopefully I don't miss the awards.
Update 2: They put it back up after about 15 minutes and it's still not working!!! Wow. I'm not confident that I'll be able to understand what the announcer is saying during awards.
Update 3: At least I had a chance at understanding the announcer during awards while they were still streaming the awards. The stream is currently turned off, meaning I've missed the results for this entire block. Luckily, a Marion Harding parent streamed the results on Facebook. The delay continues.
Final update: After an hour-long outage, the stream has recovered at the very end of Dawson-Bryant's show.
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Post by neop on Oct 29, 2022 16:27:06 GMT -6
This is my first time ever seeing what I would call the "elusive" Sycamore marching band at state. They get Superior ratings at most of their local competitions, but they never compete for a score, just a rating, and they almost never attend SMBF anymore. I wonder why that is? They are very very good and more than capable of leading a long, healthy streak of Superiors at state.
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Post by midwestfan on Oct 29, 2022 17:46:47 GMT -6
Amherst, Brunswick, Norton, Medina was the results. Medina was 4th. Hmm, maybe the member I asked heard incorrectly. Thanks! You wouldn't happen to know any scores, would you? I only had a brief look at recap. Brunswick was 89.2 ish and Norton was 89.04. Medina was a point or two lower. I can’t remember. I’ll ask my friend to share.
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Post by neop on Oct 29, 2022 18:52:07 GMT -6
Congratulations to Highland on their first Superior since 1991!
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 29, 2022 22:47:15 GMT -6
I could easily see 42 of today's 44 bands getting a I, and one of the two bands I thought was likeliest to get a II actually got a I. The floor of performance level was very high today (for OMEA). Spoke to a seasoned judge (who was not judging today) who thought maybe the great weather helped some bands who might struggle a bit under more typical SMBF circumstances, in which case expect more IIs tomorrow if the likely rain drenches that segment of the four-day event.
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Post by oldarmybandguy on Oct 29, 2022 23:35:47 GMT -6
I’ve mentioned before the oddity Of no scoring at OMEA, but I think there’s one other big reason I prefer BOA to it: the small bands get to compete with the big ones. In boa, a terrific small band that makes finals can be compared against the bigger bands and a true champion emerges. Just seems like an incentive for excellence for all ensembles
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Post by neop on Oct 29, 2022 23:53:57 GMT -6
I’ve mentioned before the oddity Of no scoring at OMEA, but I think there’s one other big reason I prefer BOA to it: the small bands get to compete with the big ones. In boa, a terrific small band that makes finals can be compared against the bigger bands and a true champion emerges. Just seems like an incentive for excellence for all ensembles Well, those terrific small bands can (and do) get scored directly against the bigger bands at local OMEA shows, just not state finals. Example: Berne Union beating on the Columbus powerhouses from time to time.
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Post by neop on Oct 30, 2022 0:01:36 GMT -6
OMEA SMBF Day 2 - Piqua 10/30 Time
| Band
| Last Appearance
| 2022 RATING
| 1:30 PM
| Columbus Grove (C)
| 2021 (II - C)
| II
| 1:45 PM
| Greenville (A)
| 2021 (II - A)
| II
| 2:00 PM
| Warren Local (A)
| 2021 (II - A)
| I
| 2:15 PM
| Watkins Memorial (AA)
| 2021 (II - AA)
| II
| 2:30 PM
| Perry (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
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| 3:00 PM
| Covington (C)
| 2021 (II - C)
| II
| 3:15 PM
| Grove City Christian (C)
| NEVER
| I
| 3:30 PM
| Rock Hill (B)
| 2021 (I - B)
| I
| 3:45 PM
| Deer Park (B)
| 2021 (I - B)
| I
| 4:00 PM
| Maumee (B)
| 2019 (I - B)
| II
| 4:15 PM
| Springboro (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
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| 4:45 PM
| Van Wert (B)
| NEVER
| II
| 5:00 PM
| Van Buren (B)
| 2021 (I - B)
| I
| 5:15 PM
| Bishop Watterson (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| II
| 5:30 PM
| Chillicothe (A)
| 2021 (II - A)
| II
| 5:45 PM
| Beavercreek (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
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| 6:15 PM
| Ada (C)
| 2021 (I - C)
| II
| 6:30 PM
| Eastern Brown (C)
| 2021 (I - C)
| I
| 6:45 PM
| Northwestern (B)
| 2021 (II - B)
| II
| 7:00 PM
| Hamilton Township (A)
| 2021 (II - A)
| II
| 7:15 PM
| Kettering Fairmont (AA)
| 2017 (I - AA)
| I
| 7:30 PM
| Walnut Hills (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 7:45 PM
| Troy (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
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Post by ohioguy2 on Oct 30, 2022 8:36:15 GMT -6
MSBA Centerville 10/29
Class AAAAA
1. Lakota West 85.9 2. Miamisburg 83.6 3. Worthington Kilbourne 79.6 4. Lebanon 72.6
Class AAAA
1. Kings 80.2 2. Northmont 76.1 3. West Carrollton 66.7 4. Vandalia-Butler 66.2 5. Talawanda 61.9
Class AAA
1. Bellbrook 76.0 2. Carroll 73.4 3. Brookville 63.6
Class AA
1. East Clinton 59.8 2. Madison 58.8 3. Dayton Christian 57.2
Class A
1. Alter 75.4 2. Franklin 58.0 3. Bishop Fenwick 41.8 4. Lehman Catholic 34.7
MSBA West Clermont 10/29
Class AAAAA
1. Campbell County (KY) 83.9 2. Milford 83.0
Class AAAA
1. Finneytown 78.9 2. Oak Hills 76.4
Class AAA
1. Dixie Heights (KY) 75.1 2. Moeller/Mount Notre Dame 48.45
Class AA
1. John Hardin (KY) 68.3 2. Highlands (KY) 61.6 3. South Dearborn (IN) 60.4 4. Goshen 57.0 5. William Henry Harrison 53.5 6. Northwest 52.8
Class A
1. Martha Layne Collins (KY) 62.5 2. Taylor 61.0 3. Indian Hill 60.9 4. Simon Kenton (KY) 60.7 5. Switzerland Co. (IN) 54.0 6. Bellevue (KY) 45.8
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Post by ohioguy2 on Oct 30, 2022 8:59:25 GMT -6
If interested, the following bands received all superiors from all seven judges (2 Music, 2 GE, 1 Visual, Guard and Percussion) at the first day of SMBF. Band directors often call this "Straight 1s."
Fairfield Hilliard Bradley Central Crossing Hilliard Davidson Hoover Louisville Olentangy Medina Dublin Coffman Middletown Teays Valley Thomas Worthington Licking Heights Grove City Dublin Jerome Pickerington Central
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Post by neop on Oct 30, 2022 12:27:04 GMT -6
If interested, the following bands received all superiors from all seven judges (2 Music, 2 GE, 1 Visual, Guard and Percussion) at the first day of SMBF. Band directors often call this "Straight 1s." Fairfield Hilliard Bradley Central Crossing Hilliard Davidson Hoover Louisville Olentangy Medina Dublin Coffman Middletown Teays Valley Thomas Worthington Licking Heights Grove City Dublin Jerome Pickerington Central It looks like they are putting the recaps on the Guidebook for this event again! Cool stuff.
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Post by neop on Oct 30, 2022 14:41:59 GMT -6
Congrats to Grove City Christian for earning a Superior on their first SMBF appearance! I recently learned that they did qualify for state in 2019, but did not attend in favor of MSBA championships.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 30, 2022 23:07:57 GMT -6
Kudos to the "air synthesizer" players at Kettering Fairmont. That was something else.
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Post by oldtimer on Oct 31, 2022 6:18:59 GMT -6
Did anyone see the Centerville Invitational. Was hoping to find some video, but have not. Wondering how Lakota West looked compared to Centerville prior to BOA Grand Nationals. Hearing that East, West and Centerville are all lumped into the group battling for a Semi-Finals spot.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Oct 31, 2022 7:53:31 GMT -6
On Sunday at Piqua, there were only 4 bands that received unanimous superior ratings from the judges:
Van Buren Beavercreek Kettering Fairmont Walnut Hills
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Post by ohioguy2 on Oct 31, 2022 7:55:06 GMT -6
Did anyone see the Centerville Invitational. Was hoping to find some video, but have not. Wondering how Lakota West looked compared to Centerville prior to BOA Grand Nationals. Hearing that East, West and Centerville are all lumped into the group battling for a Semi-Finals spot. Allohak has confirmed he was in attendance, but has not given a review.
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