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Post by Allohak on Oct 31, 2022 8:13:19 GMT -6
Did anyone see the Centerville Invitational. Was hoping to find some video, but have not. Wondering how Lakota West looked compared to Centerville prior to BOA Grand Nationals. Hearing that East, West and Centerville are all lumped into the group battling for a Semi-Finals spot. West is looking good, their show has come together nicely and the latest additions will only help their GE scores. Still baffled at them getting jobbed in St. Louis. Centerville had a good showing at Indy, and the program knows how to clean and push until Saturday of GN. Based purely on Saturday evening, I would not have had West very far behind Centerville When it comes to Cville, West, and East at GN: -Centerville solidly in semifinals, probably end up in the 18-24 range -West should feel good about their prospects, 22-28 range -East is the one I wonder a bit more about. Could go either way, 27-33 range, fingers crossed they end up on the right side of the bubble
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Post by ohioguy2 on Oct 31, 2022 8:15:49 GMT -6
Did anyone see the Centerville Invitational. Was hoping to find some video, but have not. Wondering how Lakota West looked compared to Centerville prior to BOA Grand Nationals. Hearing that East, West and Centerville are all lumped into the group battling for a Semi-Finals spot. West is looking good, their show has come together nicely and the latest additions will only help their GE scores. Still baffled at them getting jobbed in St. Louis. Centerville had a good showing at Indy, and the program knows how to clean and push until Saturday of GN. Based purely on Saturday evening, I would not have had West very far behind Centerville When it comes to Cville, West, and East at GN: -Centerville solidly in semifinals, probably end up in the 18-24 range -West should feel good about their prospects, 22-28 range -East is the one I wonder a bit more about. Could go either way, 27-33 range, fingers crossed they end up on the right side of the bubble Just curious if you had any thoughts on Alter in A at GN or Miamisburg or Kilbourne in AA if you had a chance to see them?
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 31, 2022 8:50:06 GMT -6
If interested, the following bands received all superiors from all seven judges (2 Music, 2 GE, 1 Visual, Guard and Percussion) at the first day of SMBF. Band directors often call this "Straight 1s." Fairfield Hilliard Bradley Central Crossing Hilliard Davidson Hoover Louisville Olentangy Medina Dublin Coffman Middletown Teays Valley Thomas Worthington Licking Heights Grove City Dublin Jerome Pickerington Central Sometimes they also refer to this as "Straight Superiors." There are at least two interesting omissions from this list, and there are some bands listed here whose performance Saturday would have scored much lower than others on the list during the regular season. If all the judges score you in the low 80s, that's still straight superiors, even if another band whose show would score in the 90s (and there are three such bands absent here) isn't as strong on guard or percussion or isn't delivering what a given judge wants for G.E.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 31, 2022 8:56:29 GMT -6
On Sunday at Piqua, there were only 4 bands that received unanimous superior ratings from the judges: Van Buren Beavercreek Kettering Fairmont Walnut Hills Walnut Hills must have been given a dispensation due to the weather, because they most definitely went over time. Their electronics apparently were drenched, and I think they were lucky to get them working at all. Kettering Fairmont, who played in the heaviest rain of the day, made the bold choice to eschew all electronics and amplification. That meant woodwind soloists were very soft or inaudible, and as I hinted last night, their keyboard players had no consoles in front of them and mimed their entire performance. But Kettering is very strong, and thus it didn't matter much.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 31, 2022 9:45:01 GMT -6
OMEA SMBF Day 2 - Piqua 10/30 Time
| Band
| Last Appearance
| 2022 RATING
| 1:30 PM
| Columbus Grove (C)
| 2021 (II - C)
| II
| 1:45 PM
| Greenville (A)
| 2021 (II - A)
| II
| 2:00 PM
| Warren Local (A)
| 2021 (II - A)
| I
| 2:15 PM
| Watkins Memorial (AA)
| 2021 (II - AA)
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| 2:30 PM
| Perry (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
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| Covington (C)
| 2021 (II - C)
| II
| 3:15 PM
| Grove City Christian (C)
| NEVER
| I
| 3:30 PM
| Rock Hill (B)
| 2021 (I - B)
| I
| 3:45 PM
| Deer Park (B)
| 2021 (I - B)
| I
| 4:00 PM
| Maumee (B)
| 2019 (I - B)
| II
| 4:15 PM
| Springboro (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
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| 4:45 PM
| Van Wert (B)
| NEVER
| II
| 5:00 PM
| Van Buren (B)
| 2021 (I - B)
| I
| 5:15 PM
| Bishop Watterson (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| II
| 5:30 PM
| Chillicothe (A)
| 2021 (II - A)
| II
| 5:45 PM
| Beavercreek (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
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| 6:15 PM
| Ada (C)
| 2021 (I - C)
| II
| 6:30 PM
| Eastern Brown (C)
| 2021 (I - C)
| I
| 6:45 PM
| Northwestern (B)
| 2021 (II - B)
| II
| 7:00 PM
| Hamilton Township (A)
| 2021 (II - A)
| II
| 7:15 PM
| Kettering Fairmont (AA)
| 2017 (I - AA)
| I
| 7:30 PM
| Walnut Hills (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
| I
| 7:45 PM
| Troy (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
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In my opinion, two bands that got a I deserved a II and two or three bands that got a II deserved a I. The weather was somewhat better than expected. It wasn't cold, and it was dry with patches of blue sky for most of the first two blocks. The first sprinkles arrived just as Deer Park was finishing, and it remained light for Maumee. Springboro, Van Buren, Bishop Watterson, Northwestern, Hamilton Township, Kettering Fairmont, and Walnut Hills all played in conditions too wet for me to take notes. OMEA's regular SMBF announcer, a solid professional who is strictly business, wished everyone a Happy Halloween to conclude the regular announcement after Beavercreek performed.
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Post by Allohak on Oct 31, 2022 10:45:11 GMT -6
West is looking good, their show has come together nicely and the latest additions will only help their GE scores. Still baffled at them getting jobbed in St. Louis. Centerville had a good showing at Indy, and the program knows how to clean and push until Saturday of GN. Based purely on Saturday evening, I would not have had West very far behind Centerville When it comes to Cville, West, and East at GN: -Centerville solidly in semifinals, probably end up in the 18-24 range -West should feel good about their prospects, 22-28 range -East is the one I wonder a bit more about. Could go either way, 27-33 range, fingers crossed they end up on the right side of the bubble Just curious if you had any thoughts on Alter in A at GN or Miamisburg or Kilbourne in AA if you had a chance to see them? Wasn't able to get there for the smaller classes, but from their BOA events, Alter should absolutely be in contention in A at GN I did see Miamisburg and Kilbourne - both are very solid, and on the same panel. I like Burg's chances, AA is just insanely deep this year so if either misses out it's not because they aren't strong.
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Post by neop on Oct 31, 2022 12:06:18 GMT -6
On Sunday at Piqua, there were only 4 bands that received unanimous superior ratings from the judges: Van Buren Beavercreek Kettering Fairmont Walnut Hills Good for Van Buren. That's quite the company to be a part of. I believe they achieved this last year as well.
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Post by onceacamel2018 on Oct 31, 2022 12:39:10 GMT -6
Campbell County had a strong run, winning West Clermont against Milford. They will be in the AA discussion on their panel. They beat Miamisburg and Worthington Kilbourne early in the season. It’s the best campbell county band I’ve ever seen. But AA is brutal!
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Post by midwestfan on Oct 31, 2022 15:59:48 GMT -6
Amherst, Brunswick, Norton, Medina was the results. Medina was 4th. Hmm, maybe the member I asked heard incorrectly. Thanks! You wouldn't happen to know any scores, would you? Amherst - 91.66 Brunswick - 89.300 Norton - 89.140 Medina - 89.040 St. Eds - 85.960 Cloverleaf - 85.420
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Post by oldtimer on Nov 1, 2022 6:41:58 GMT -6
Last count, Ohio has 42 or 43 bands going to Grand Nationals. Likely, only one finalist and that would be Mason who was a chance for a top 3 finish.
How many can we get into the semi-finals? 10 would be great. Can we get there? I know I'll be rooting hard for all the Ohio kids.
Next level is extremely difficult to get there and maintain.
Would love to see the state have another one or two Finalist level bands each year. What's it gonna take the Lakota's bringing the bands back together? Now that would be something to see!
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Post by cheesemcdiddlesworth on Nov 1, 2022 8:37:32 GMT -6
What's it gonna take the Lakota's bringing the bands back together? Now that would be something to see! A logistics nightmare is what that would be. The lakota's have enough talent and resources to be independently successful without the additional hassle of independent school events (collective groan from forest hills). Instead of the equation of (big number)-(poor performers)=finals...it should be working to enrich the poor performers to build the group up. Sadly elementary school band is less of a thing these days.
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Post by oldarmybandguy on Nov 1, 2022 11:17:37 GMT -6
I hate that elementary band is what it is in Ohio. My kids started beginning band in 6th grade, and the keep them separated by grade level all the way until they hit high school, so by the time they get there, they're playing with upper classmen they've never sat next to. By the time I was in 6th grade I was in the "middle school band" which included 6-8th grades. It not only allowed us to get used to hearing better players and matching things like tone quality and articulation, but it forced us to "level up" so that the music selections weren't so easy as to be boring for the experienced players, but too difficult to be achievable for the youngest. starting in 6th grade is so difficult because most kids are just settling into the mechanics of their instrument by the time they have to enter a world that is almost like starting over again. My 4-6th grade band experience taught me the physical requirements to make a consistent sound. Middle school was where I learned how to make a good sound within an ensemble.
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Post by oldarmybandguy on Nov 1, 2022 11:22:39 GMT -6
What's it gonna take the Lakota's bringing the bands back together? Now that would be something to see! A logistics nightmare is what that would be. The lakota's have enough talent and resources to be independently successful without the additional hassle of independent school events (collective groan from forest hills). Instead of the equation of (big number)-(poor performers)=finals...it should be working to enrich the poor performers to build the group up. Sadly elementary school band is less of a thing these days. Like my other comment, elementary band is necessary to cultivate a strong high school program...the one thing holding back my kids' future band (IMHO...I know nothing about visual these days) is intonation. The band is fairly good size when it comes to number of wind players, but they sound tiny because they haven't practiced ensemble intonation in middle school. My high school regularly marched 10-12 trumpets and they blow the doors off the 20+ that this school is marching. Intonation and overall tone quality would instantly raise their band's achievement levels up.
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Post by artsfan on Nov 1, 2022 12:14:12 GMT -6
If either of the Lakota's want to make a serious push towards GN finals they have to do one of these things: either hire Wes Cartwright (which he probably won't take since he's Mason's designer) OR hire Alan Spaeth who is Flower Mound's designer, and who also does Lincoln-Way and was the creative genius behind all the PCEP shows in the 90's early 00's. One of these guys WILL take either East or West to the next level. PS...Mason is my dark horse to win GN and I think they'll be top 3!
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Post by oldtimer on Nov 1, 2022 12:20:56 GMT -6
I feel that East and West compete really well on music. Obviously getting back to band in 4th grade would make sense for the district that keeps wandering how to improve test scores and keep kids engaged. Visual is year to year depending on the show design(s).
What seems to be lacking is a lower level guard/aux program starting at a much younger level than 9th grade. Miamisburg has proven that this is an amazing way to enhance their marching band program overall. Why there are no elementary/junior guard programs in these larger districts is puzzling to me. Even on a pay to play model, there seems to be a huge opportunity here.
Anyone wanna start a business?
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Post by oldtimer on Nov 1, 2022 12:30:23 GMT -6
If either of the Lakota's want to make a serious push towards GN finals they have to do one of these things: either hire Wes Cartwright (which he probably won't take since he's Mason's designer) OR hire Alan Spaeth who is Flower Mound's designer, and who also does Lincoln-Way and was the creative genius behind all the PCEP shows in the 90's early 00's. One of these guys WILL take either East or West to the next level. PS...Mason is my dark horse to win GN and I think they'll be top 3! I agree with you that a consistent big/bigger name designer is important. Latching on to an up and comer early can work as well if you stay with them long term. I liked West's previous 2 or 3 designs a lot, but they changed designers this year. Not sure why? More importantly, to be a consistent GN finals band costs more money and time from everyone involved. It's a big investment, and I'm not convinced either school is wanting to make that leap yet.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 1, 2022 13:06:06 GMT -6
While I'm sure it happens, I really don't like the idea that a band can or should buy its way to the top. Nor the idea that certain specific people need to be hired. That sounds rather incestuous.
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Post by oldtimer on Nov 1, 2022 13:13:51 GMT -6
While I'm sure it happens, I really don't like the idea that a band can or should buy its way to the top. Nor the idea that certain specific people need to be hired. That sounds rather incestuous. I was told a few years ago by someone more knowledgeable in BOA, that once you get to a consistent level (semi-finalist), each tenth of a point improvement from there is $10,000. Likely a bit of tongue and cheek, but you don't have to go far and compare budgets. I would be willing to bet Mason's budget is 5 times any other band's in the state.
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Post by artsfan on Nov 1, 2022 14:15:12 GMT -6
While I'm sure it happens, I really don't like the idea that a band can or should buy its way to the top. Nor the idea that certain specific people need to be hired. That sounds rather incestuous. But that is how the BOA game is played my dear! :-) Not that I agree with it. But, money brings you the best resources and people to help get your program to the top. Those people know how the game is played and design accordingly. Almost every BOA GN finalist is a band from a large suburban high school in an affluent area. There are exceptions but at least 90% fall into this category. The small bands from KY that usually win A seem to buck this trend and that's VERY impressive. If Lakota wants to play in that arena, they most definitely have the money and booster support to do it. But so does Beavercreek and Fairmont too...if they want too. Centerville has had it forever. Regardless... all these bands are fabulous, I'm just giving you the roadmap to GN finals. :-) PS: Mason wins GN in the very near future.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Nov 1, 2022 15:31:03 GMT -6
If either of the Lakota's want to make a serious push towards GN finals they have to do one of these things: either hire Wes Cartwright (which he probably won't take since he's Mason's designer) OR hire Alan Spaeth who is Flower Mound's designer, and who also does Lincoln-Way and was the creative genius behind all the PCEP shows in the 90's early 00's. One of these guys WILL take either East or West to the next level. PS...Mason is my dark horse to win GN and I think they'll be top 3! Welcome (back) artsfan! That's a name from the past!
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 1, 2022 15:41:47 GMT -6
If either of the Lakota's want to make a serious push towards GN finals they have to do one of these things: either hire Wes Cartwright (which he probably won't take since he's Mason's designer) OR hire Alan Spaeth who is Flower Mound's designer, and who also does Lincoln-Way and was the creative genius behind all the PCEP shows in the 90's early 00's. One of these guys WILL take either East or West to the next level. PS...Mason is my dark horse to win GN and I think they'll be top 3! Welcome (back) artsfan! That's a name from the past! And suddenly, a wild Todd appeared!
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Post by algaeroots on Nov 1, 2022 18:29:00 GMT -6
Did anyone see the Centerville Invitational. Was hoping to find some video, but have not. Wondering how Lakota West looked compared to Centerville prior to BOA Grand Nationals. Hearing that East, West and Centerville are all lumped into the group battling for a Semi-Finals spot. West is looking good, their show has come together nicely and the latest additions will only help their GE scores. Still baffled at them getting jobbed in St. Louis. Centerville had a good showing at Indy, and the program knows how to clean and push until Saturday of GN. Based purely on Saturday evening, I would not have had West very far behind Centerville When it comes to Cville, West, and East at GN: -Centerville solidly in semifinals, probably end up in the 18-24 range -West should feel good about their prospects, 22-28 range -East is the one I wonder a bit more about. Could go either way, 27-33 range, fingers crossed they end up on the right side of the bubble East performed at my home show the other week, I could hear the cheers from all the way across the campus! Can’t wait to see a video of them after grand nationals because it sounded to be quite the spectacle. I remember seeing an early season video with an unfinished 1st movement that featured a couple of visuals that were quite high paced and complex. I’d love to see them push deep into the twenties perhaps even past west. They certainly have the show for it!
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Post by Allohak on Nov 1, 2022 20:18:12 GMT -6
Welcome (back) artsfan! That's a name from the past! And suddenly, a wild Todd appeared! And it's about time, too! Good to have you with us again artsfan
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 1, 2022 22:25:35 GMT -6
Last count, Ohio has 42 or 43 bands going to Grand Nationals. Likely, only one finalist and that would be Mason who was a chance for a top 3 finish. I believe it's 32 Ohio bands at Grand Nationals this year: William Mason Centerville Lakota West Lakota East Miamisburg Milford Forest Hills Archbishop Alter Worthington Kilbourne Norton Bellbrook Finneytown Springboro Arcanum Piqua Carroll South Point Avon Fairborn Hamilton Walter E. Stebbins Wilmington Tippecanoe Warren Local Talawanda East Clinton Colerain Chesapeake Carlisle Clinton-Massie Bishop Fenwick La Salle Corrections welcome.
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Post by oldarmybandguy on Nov 4, 2022 21:11:50 GMT -6
Anyone here going to the 5A championship for MSBA? My kids’ school will be there (even though they have to wait 2 years to March) and it will be a nice preview of Mason before GN next weekend
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Post by algaeroots on Nov 4, 2022 21:31:24 GMT -6
Anyone here going to the 5A championship for MSBA? My kids’ school will be there (even though they have to wait 2 years to March) and it will be a nice preview of Mason before GN next weekend I will be performing there tomorrow (hopefully), however there is high likely hood of rain and wind around the times of performance. The 5A Directors are making a decision sometime tomorrow morning on what they plan to do. Unfortunately, if weather remains bad, we may see quite of a few of the bands drop. Likely candidates are Forest Hills, Miamisburg, and Mason: since this is not their final performance, however I would not surprised if West Clermont and Fairfield perform since this is their last. Could also see some standstills. Wind is currently being predicted to be around 10-20 mph. and the rain isn't lasting that long so if clears out before starting time, the best scenario is all that is lost are the props from a few groups. Worst scenario would definitely suck though.
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Post by neop on Nov 5, 2022 12:07:20 GMT -6
OMEA SMBF Day 3 - Medina 11/5
Time
| Band
| Last Appearance
| 2022 RATING
| 11:45 AM
| Wellington (C)
| 2021 (I - C)
| II
| 12:00 PM
| Coventry (B)
| 2021 (II - B)
| II
| 12:15 PM
| Firestone (A)
| 2019 (II - AA)
| II
| 12:30 PM
| Cloverleaf (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| I
| 12:45 PM
| Norton (A)
| 2021 (II - A)
| I
| 1:00 PM
| Delaware Hayes (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
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| Indian Valley (B)
| 2021 (II - B)
| II
| 2:00 PM
| Ridgewood (B)
| 2021 (II - B)
| I
| 2:15 PM
| Willoughby South (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| I
| 2:30 PM
| St. Edward (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| I
| 2:45 PM
| Crestwood (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| I
| 3:00 PM
| Revere (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| I
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| Mentor (AA)
| 2021 (II - AA)
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| St. John's Jesuit (B)
| 2021 (I - B)
| I
| 4:15 PM
| River View (B)
| 2021 (II - B)
| II
| 4:30 PM
| Rossford (B)
| 2021 (I - B)
| II
| 4:45 PM
| St. Clairsville (B)
| 2021 (I - B)
| I
| 5:00 PM
| Copley (A)
| 2021 (I - A)
| I
| 5:15 PM
| Lancaster (AA)
| 2021 (II - AA)
| II
| 5:30 PM
| Nordonia (AA)
| 2021 (I - AA)
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| 6:15 PM
| Philo (C)
| 2018 (II - B)
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| 6:30 PM
| Arcadia (C)
| 2019 (II - C)
| II
| 6:45 PM
| Belpre (C)
| 2021 (II - C)
| II
| 7:00 PM
| Heath (B)
| NEVER
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| 7:15 PM
| Black River (B)
| 2021 (I - C)
| I
| 7:30 PM
| Avon Lake (A)
| 2019 (II - A)
| II
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| 2021 (I - AA)
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Post by jp837 on Nov 5, 2022 14:06:52 GMT -6
UPDATE: Forest Hills has withdrawn from the Class AAAAA MSBA Championships. They will competing at OMEA State tomorrow afternoon.
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Post by neop on Nov 5, 2022 18:07:57 GMT -6
Well done, Heath, on a superior at your first State appearance!
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 5, 2022 21:44:40 GMT -6
Who's trippin' down the streets of the city Smilin' at everybody she sees? Who's reachin' out to capture a moment? Everyone knows.
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