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Post by algaeroots on Oct 16, 2022 0:04:52 GMT -6
For the Mason Invitational, in the second half I remember a decent number of captions and placements but not all. For 4A Northmont took guard and also percussion I believe, as well as second place. Louisville Male took first and remaining captions. For 5A Foresthills took guard and percussion with a complimentary second place. West Clermont took visual, music, and ge, taking 1st in 5A as well as grand champions! That’s about it but it was definitely a very interesting competition, congrats to West Clermont!!
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Post by midwestfan on Oct 16, 2022 0:45:48 GMT -6
MSBA Mason 10/15 Schedule1:00 Ludlow (Exhibition) 1:15 Bishop Fenwick (A) 1:30 Taylor (A) 1:45 Franklin (A) 2:00 Indian Hill (A) 2:15 Mason Co. (A) 2:45 Madison (AA) 3:00 Highlands (AA) 3:15 Greenon (AA) 3:30 Fairborn (AA) 3:45 Dayton Christian (AA) 4:00 Northwest (AA) 4:30 Newton (AA) 4:45 Dixie Heights (AAA) 5:00 Bishop Watterson (AAA) 5:15 Bellbrook (AAA) 5:30 Brookville (AAA) 5:45 Carroll (AAA) 6:00 Awards 7:00 Louisville Male (AAAA) 7:15 Oak Hills (AAAA) 7:30 Talawanda (AAAA) 7:45 Northmont (AAAA) 8:00 Vandalia-Butler (AAAA) 8:15 Loveland (AAAA) 8:45 West Clermont (AAAAA) 9:00 Lebanon (AAAAA) 9:15 Forest Hills (AAAAA) 9:30 William Mason (Exhibition) 10:00 Awards I do know that Bellbrook won Grand Champions the first half of the day with Dixie Heights winning Reserve Grand Champ. Not sure of the night cap. Don’t understand why they do separate awards.
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Post by midwestfan on Oct 16, 2022 0:49:12 GMT -6
Some other results I found on Facebook ... Ohio StateBeavercreek received best Percussion in Class AA, best General Effect in Class AA, and Grand Champion, as well as a rating of I. Kings received best Visual in Class AA, best Color Guard in Class AA, and 3rd place, as well as a rating of I. Grove City received best Music in class AA, as well as a rating of I. Newark received a rating of I. Licking Valley received best General Effect in class B and 1st place in Class B, as well as a rating of I. Columbus Grove received best Music in class C, best Visual in class C, and best General Effect in class C, as well as a rating of I. Fort Frye received best Color Guard in class C, as well as a rating of II. The director notes that this was a "high" II. Well, well, that's a bundle of news and no mistake. The Buckeye Invitational results as announced were: Class CAuxilliary: Fort Frye Percussion: Northeastern Visual: Columbus Grove General Effect: Columbus Grove Music: Columbus Grove Superior Ratings: Columbus Grove Class BAuxilliary: London Percussion: Carlisle Visual: London General Effect: Licking Valley Music: Carlisle Superior Ratings: Maumee, London, Licking Valley Class AAuxilliary: Norton Percussion: Norton Visual: Norton General Effect: Norton Music: Norton Superior Ratings: Franklin Heights, Louisville, Norton Class AAAuxilliary: Kings Percussion: Beavercreek Visual: Kings General Effect: Beavercreek Music: Grove City Superior Ratings: Kings, Pickerington Central, Beavercreek, Mentor, Grove City, Newark, Fairfield, Perry, Walnut Hills, Licking Heights, Medina Fort Frye has only 16 members: 5 winds, 6 in the pit, and 5 in the guard. The judges only issued one Superior rating to a band I thought had missed (London) and they only withheld one Superior rating from a band I thought was deserving (Stebbins). Beyond that, however, we disagreed about first place in Class B (I had Maumee ahead by half a point), in Class A (I had Louisville ahead by two points -- not the first time that OMEA's judges have liked Norton much more than me), and in Class AA (I had Grove City ahead by a point) -- but while it seemed clear that Grove City would take best music, I wondered if Beavercreek might nonetheless pull off the upset. And I wasn't sure Kings would hold onto third. Very, very curious to see these scores. In the Festival class, Pickerington North sounds tremendous playing the music of Queen -- even without a pit -- but they move relatively little. (And so many bands played the music of Queen again this year.) Cuyahoga Falls also sounded great. I also had the good fortune to meet a former Grove City band member who posted here once a few years ago in response to something I wrote.
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Post by ohbandie48 on Oct 16, 2022 1:05:11 GMT -6
Wow, it's unusual to see Grove City not take first at the Buckeye Invitational (other than when Mason showed up).
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Post by midwestfan on Oct 16, 2022 7:28:30 GMT -6
I was at Buckeye Invitational and thought the judges were spot on. OMEA in the last 6 or 7 years have finally understood that you don’t have to be the largest AA band to receive the highest score. They are finally rewarding design and individual performance effectiveness. Grove City was strong in musical performances but lacking in visual design and basically do not ask much from their performers in demonstrating an advanced visual vocabulary. Judges have also been doing better at removing personal bias out of their adjudication.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Oct 16, 2022 8:00:00 GMT -6
OMEA Ohio State 10/15
Class AA
1. Beavercreek 91.84 (I) 2. Grove City 91.16 (I) 3. Kings 90.16 (I) 4. Fairfield 88.8 (I) 5. Licking Heights 87.74 (I) 6. Medina 86.26 (I) 7. Pickerington Central 83.16 (I) 8. Perry 83.02 (I) 9. Walnut Hills 82.52 (I) 10. Mentor 81.24 (I) 11. Canal Winchester 77.76 (II) 12. Watkins Memorial 74.6 (II) Rating Only - Newark (I) Rating Only - Lancaster (II)
Class A
1. Norton 89.4 (I) 2. Louisville 85.95 (I) 3. Franklin Heights 83.54 (I) 4. Chesapeake 80.92 (II) 5. Walter E. Stebbins 79.02 (II) 6. Wilmington 78.9 (II)
Class B
1. Licking Valley 79.54 (I) 2. Carlisle 79.04 (II) 3. London 78.98 (I) 4. Maumee 78.9 (I) 5. Perkins 76.6 (II) Rating Only - Firelands (II)
Class C
1. Columbus Grove 81.36 (I) 2. Fort Frye 77.76 (II) 3. Wellington 74.46 (II) 4. Northeastern 70.94 (III) Rating Only - Fairbanks (II) Rating Only - Blanchester (II)
OMEA Piqua 10/15
Class AA
1. Central Crossing 91.8 (I) 2. Marysville 86.82 (I) 3. Troy 86.5 (I)
Class A
1. Edgewood 85.52 (I) Ex. Piqua (I)
Class B
1. Versailles 85.56 (I) 2. Arcanum 83.3 (I) 3. Clinton-Massie 78.6 (I)
Class C
1. Covington 82.26 (I) 2. Ada 78.5 (I) 3. Marion Local 76.12 (II) 4. Bethel 75.6 (II) 5. Fort Recovery 74.42 (II) 6. Mississinawa Valley 71.76 (III)
OMEA Ironton 10/15
Class AA
1. South Point 87.406 (I)
Class A
1. Dawson-Bryant 83.976 (I) 2. Point Pleasant 80.134 (I) 3. Portsmouth West 76.356 (II) 4. Chillicothe 76.162 (II)
Class B
1. Rock Hill 79.624 (I) 2. Northwest 77.208 (II) 3. Minford 74.616 (II) 4. Portsmouth 61.064 (III)
Class C
1. Eastern Brown 85.432 (I) 2. Lynchburg Clay 77.208 (II) 3. Valley 74.488 (II) 4. Wellston 73.758 (II) 5. Symmes Valley 69.644 (II)
OMEA Maysville 10/15
Class AA
1. Westerville South 87.76 (I) 2. Olentangy Liberty 84.66 (I) 3. Groveport Madison 73.42 (II)
Class B
1. Logan Elm 83.56 (I) 2. Ridgewood 83.14 (I) 3. John Glenn 82.22 (I) 4. Bloom-Carroll 80.9 (I) 5. Morgan 72.82 (II) 6. Union Local 72.56 (II)
Class C
1. Crooksville 77.56 (II) 2. Trimble 63.04 (III)
OMEA Avon Lake 10/15
Class AA
1. Brunswick 88.92 (I) 2. Hoover 88.44 (I) 3. Avon 85.66 (I)
Class A
1. St. Edward 84.04 (I) 2. Cloverleaf 83.4 (I) 3. Willoughby South 80.02 (I) 4. Firestone 79.56 (I) Ex. Avon Lake (I)
Class B
1. Buckeye 78.82 (II) 2. Marlington 74.36 (II)
Class C
1. New London 75.5 (II)
OMEA Kettering Fairmont 10/15
Class AA
1. Lakota East 91.3 (I) 2. Middletown 85.0 (I) 3. Colerain 77.6 (II) Ex. Kettering Fairmont (I)
Class B
1. Madeira 84.6 (I) 2. Deer Park 81.3 (I) 3. Norwood 73.3 (II) 4. Waynesville 72.8 (II) 5. Southwestern 71.3 (II)
Class C
1(tie). Shawnee 69.7 (II) 1(tie). National Trail 69.7 (III)
OMEA Springfield 10/15
Class A
1. Marion Harding 84.6 (I) (Didn't catch Springfield's rating)
Class B
1. Rossford 80.4 (II) 2. St. John's Jesuit 78.34 (II) 3. Liberty Benton 75.48 (II)
Class C
1. Arcadia 75.1 (II) 2. Adena 72.6 (II)
OMEA Meadowbrook 10/15
Class AA
1. Dublin Jerome 91.6 (I) 2. Thomas Worthington 87.6 (I)
Class A
1. Teays Valley 87.8 (I) 2. Warren 83.8 (I) 3. Athens 74.6 (II) 4. Marietta 74.2 (II)
Class B
1. St. Clairsville 84.8 (I) 2. Cambridge 65.0 (III) Ex. Meadowbrook (I)
Class C
1. Belpre 80.4 (I) 2. Philo 79.0 (I) 3. Millersport 71.2 (II)
MSBA Mason 10/15
Class AAAAA
1. West Clermont 81.2 2. Forest Hills 79.6 3. Lebanon 74.9
Class AAAA
1. Louisville Male 76.1 2. Northmont 73.9 3. Oak Hills 69.6 4. Vandalia-Butler 65.6 5(tie). Talawanda and Loveland 63.6
Class AAA
1. Bellbrook 68.2 2. Dixie Heights 67.3 3. Carroll 62.8 4. Brookville 61.1 5. Bishop Watterson 59.2
Class AA
1. Fairborn 62.8 2. Greenon 61.8 3. Dayton Christian 57.2 4. Newton 56.7 5. Madison 54.3 6. Northwest 54.2 7. Highlands 52.9
Class A
1. Mason Co. 58.9 2. Taylor 55.6 3. Franklin 55.1 4. Indian Hill 53.4 5. Bishop Fenwick 38.7
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Post by bandfan2002 on Oct 16, 2022 10:43:46 GMT -6
OMEA Ohio State 10/15Class AA 1. Beavercreek 91.84 (I) 2. Grove City 91.16 (I) 3. Kings 90.16 (I) 4. Fairfield 88.8 (I) 5. Licking Heights 87.74 (I) 6. Medina 86.26 (I) 7. Pickerington Central 83.16 (I) 8. Perry 83.02 (I) 9. Walnut Hills 82.52 (I) 10. Mentor 81.24 (I) 11. Canal Winchester 77.76 (II) 12. Watkins Memorial 74.6 (II) Rating Only - Newark (I) Rating Only - Lancaster (II) Class A 1. Norton 89.4 (I) 2. Louisville 85.95 (I) 3. Franklin Heights 83.54 (I) 4. Chesapeake 80.92 (II) 5. Walter E. Stebbins 79.02 (II) 6. Wilmington 78.9 (II) Class B 1. Licking Valley 79.54 (I) 2. Carlisle 79.04 (II) 3. London 78.98 (I) 4. Maumee 78.9 (I) 5. Perkins 76.6 (II) Rating Only - Firelands (II) Class C 1. Columbus Grove 81.36 (I) 2. Fort Frye 77.76 (II) 3. Wellington 74.46 (II) 4. Northeastern 70.94 (III) Rating Only - Fairbanks (II) Rating Only - Blanchester (II) OMEA Piqua 10/15Class AA 1. Central Crossing 91.8 (I) 2. Marysville 86.82 (I) 3. Troy 86.5 (I) Class A 1. Edgewood 85.52 (I) Ex. Piqua (I) Class B 1. Versailles 85.56 (I) 2. Arcanum 83.3 (I) 3. Clinton-Massie 78.6 (I) Class C 1. Covington 82.26 (I) 2. Ada 78.5 (I) 3. Marion Local 76.12 (II) 4. Bethel 75.6 (II) 5. Fort Recovery 74.42 (II) 6. Mississinawa Valley 71.76 (III) OMEA Ironton 10/15Class AA 1. South Point 87.406 (I) Class A 1. Dawson-Bryant 83.976 (I) 2. Point Pleasant 80.134 (I) 3. Portsmouth West 76.356 (II) 4. Chillicothe 76.162 (II) Class B 1. Rock Hill 79.624 (I) 2. Northwest 77.208 (II) 3. Minford 74.616 (II) 4. Portsmouth 61.064 (III) Class C 1. Eastern Brown 85.432 (I) 2. Lynchburg Clay 77.208 (II) 3. Valley 74.488 (II) 4. Wellston 73.758 (II) 5. Symmes Valley 69.644 (II) OMEA Maysville 10/15Class AA 1. Westerville South 87.76 (I) 2. Olentangy Liberty 84.66 (I) 3. Groveport Madison 73.42 (II) Class B 1. Logan Elm 83.56 (I) 2. Ridgewood 83.14 (I) 3. John Glenn 82.22 (I) 4. Bloom-Carroll 80.9 (I) 5. Morgan 72.82 (II) 6. Union Local 72.56 (II) Class C 1. Crooksville 77.56 (II) 2. Trimble 63.04 (III) OMEA Avon Lake 10/15
Class AA 1. Brunswick 88.92 (I) 2. Hoover 88.44 (I) 3. Avon 85.66 (I) Class A 1. St. Edward 84.04 (I) 2. Cloverleaf 83.4 (I) 3. Willoughby South 80.02 (I) 4. Firestone 79.56 (I) Ex. Avon Lake (I) Class B 1. Buckeye 78.82 (II) 2. Marlington 74.36 (II) Class C 1. New London 75.5 (II) OMEA Kettering Fairmont 10/15
Class AA 1. Lakota East 91.3 (I) 2. Middletown 85.0 (I) 3. Colerain 77.6 (II) Ex. Kettering Fairmont (I) Class B 1. Madeira 84.6 (I) 2. Deer Park 81.3 (I) 3. Norwood 73.3 (II) 4. Waynesville 72.8 (II) 5. Southwestern 71.3 (II) Class C 1(tie). Shawnee 69.7 (II) 1(tie). National Trail 69.7 (III) OMEA Springfield 10/15Class A 1. Marion Harding 84.6 (I) (Didn't catch Springfield's rating) Class B 1. Rossford 80.4 (II) 2. St. John's Jesuit 78.34 (II) 3. Liberty Benton 75.48 (II) Class C 1. Arcadia 75.1 (II) 2. Adena 72.6 (II) OMEA Meadowbrook 10/15
Class AA 1. Dublin Jerome 91.6 (I) 2. Thomas Worthington 87.6 (I) Class A 1. Teays Valley 87.8 (I) 2. Warren 83.8 (I) 3. Athens 74.6 (II) 4. Marietta 74.2 (II) Class B 1. St. Clairsville 84.8 (I) 2. Cambridge 65.0 (III) Ex. Meadowbrook (I) Class C 1. Belpre 80.4 (I) 2. Philo 79.0 (I) 3. Millersport 71.2 (II) MSBA Mason 10/15
Class AAAAA 1. West Clermont 81.2 2. Forest Hills 79.6 3. Lebanon 74.9 Class AAAA 1. Louisville Male 76.1 2. Northmont 73.9 3. Oak Hills 69.6 4. Vandalia-Butler 65.6 5(tie). Talawanda and Loveland 63.6 Class AAA 1. Bellbrook 68.2 2. Dixie Heights 67.3 3. Carroll 62.8 4. Brookville 61.1 5. Bishop Watterson 59.2 Class AA 1. Fairborn 62.8 2. Greenon 61.8 3. Dayton Christian 57.2 4. Newton 56.7 5. Madison 54.3 6. Northwest 54.2 7. Highlands 52.9 Class A 1. Mason Co. 58.9 2. Taylor 55.6 3. Franklin 55.1 4. Indian Hill 53.4 5. Bishop Fenwick 38.7 Some low scores for Mid - October
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 16, 2022 11:38:39 GMT -6
I was at Buckeye Invitational and thought the judges were spot on. OMEA in the last 6 or 7 years have finally understood that you don’t have to be the largest AA band to receive the highest score. Well I don't know. As an example of what you mention here, sure there's the experience of Beavercreek in 2017, when they were the largest band at the Buckeye Invitational and placed fourth, while Grove City, which was about 15% smaller than Beavercreek, placed first at that event. The judges didn't let size determine their choice. But was it not so in the past? As far back as the early-mid 1980s, Newton, with school enrollment of 200 and band membership of 75, was regularly competing in Class A or Class AA and winning. Marion Local, which is not much bigger, also successfully competed in Class AA for more than a decade starting in 1990. And tiny Berne Union has been besting lots of A and AA bands for more than 15 years. Again I'm not sure. For example, I heard Beavercreek parents grumbling circa 2014-2017 that the judges didn't like rock & roll music, and were scoring them lower for that reason. And then Beavercreek stopped playing their all-rock & roll shows, and now they're scoring higher. Does that mean the personal bias continues after all? I think I might dispute the term "advanced," at least so far as it's meant to imply "better" -- if that's meant to be in some way objective not subjective. Grove City demands that their performers play music at a very high level while simultaneously marching more than any other band in Ohio. What they lack is a variety of visual vocabulary. They appear to think it's more important to focus on developing a very particular set of skills to a very high level than to demonstrate a bunch of different skills. (Also they deliver more music -- about 25% more than Beavercreek this year -- than all but one or two other Ohio bands. If Grove City had shorter shows, maybe they could spend that time adding other visual techniques.) That the judges prefer otherwise is a dispute about taste. Of course, they're in charge of the scores! So if Grove City wants higher scores, they may have to bend to the judges' will. And maybe that's what they'll do. But there might be something good in the world that's lost because of it. I miss the musical writing of Beavercreek's rock & roll shows! It was unlike anything else I've heard a high school band do. Anyway, as I said last night, I thought Grove City had won but that Beavercreek was good enough -- for the first time I've ever seen -- that they might pull off the victory. (In 2017, I thought they should have been second not fourth -- but not a very close second.) And indeed they won by seven tenths. Seems reasonable to me. My own tastes in marching band are at odds with OMEA's judges as often as BOA's judges. Last year I thought Lakota West should have won this event by a point over Lakota East; OMEA's judges not only put East on top but put West in fourth but had more than two points between them, while BOA definitely seemed to prefer West to East last year. And I have been a big fan of Beavercreek since I first saw them in 2014, so good on them for this victory!
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Post by midwestfan on Oct 16, 2022 12:14:18 GMT -6
I was at Buckeye Invitational and thought the judges were spot on. OMEA in the last 6 or 7 years have finally understood that you don’t have to be the largest AA band to receive the highest score. Well I don't know. As an example of what you mention here, sure there's the experience of Beavercreek in 2017, when they were the largest band at the Buckeye Invitational and placed fourth, while Grove City, which was about 15% smaller than Beavercreek, placed first at that event. The judges didn't let size determine their choice. But was it not so in the past? As far back as the early-mid 1980s, Newton, with school enrollment of 200 and band membership of 75, was regularly competing in Class A or Class AA and winning. Marion Local, which is not much bigger, also successfully competed in Class AA for more than a decade starting in 1990. And tiny Berne Union has been besting lots of A and AA bands for more than 15 years. Again I'm not sure. For example, I heard Beavercreek parents grumbling circa 2014-2017 that the judges didn't like rock & roll music, and were scoring them lower for that reason. And then Beavercreek stopped playing their all-rock & roll shows, and now they're scoring higher. Does that mean the personal bias continues after all? I think I might dispute the term "advanced," at least so far as it's meant to imply "better" -- if that's meant to be in some way objective not subjective. Grove City demands that their performers play music at a very high level while simultaneously marching more than any other band in Ohio. What they lack is a variety of visual vocabulary. They appear to think it's more important to focus on developing a very particular set of skills to a very high level than to demonstrate a bunch of different skills. (Also they deliver more music -- about 25% more than Beavercreek this year -- than all but one or two other Ohio bands. If Grove City had shorter shows, maybe they could spend that time adding other visual techniques.) That the judges prefer otherwise is a dispute about taste. Of course, they're in charge of the scores! So if Grove City wants higher scores, they may have to bend to the judges' will. And maybe that's what they'll do. But there might be something good in the world that's lost because of it. I miss the musical writing of Beavercreek's rock & roll shows! It was unlike anything else I've heard a high school band do. Anyway, as I said last night, I thought Grove City had won but that Beavercreek was good enough -- for the first time I've ever seen -- that they might pull off the victory. (In 2017, I thought they should have been second not fourth -- but not a very close second.) And indeed they won by seven tenths. Seems reasonable to me. My own tastes in marching band are at odds with OMEA's judges as often as BOA's judges. Last year I thought Lakota West should have won this event by a point over Lakota East; OMEA's judges not only put East on top but put West in fourth but had more than two points between them, while BOA definitely seemed to prefer West to East last year. And I have been a big fan of Beavercreek since I first saw them in 2014, so good on them for this victory! [by B br] I usually don’t base my views on parents assuming something they have no way of knowing. Judges always have had biases. It’s human. You do, I do, we all do. Invariably in the past in OMEA shows, comparable groups would usually see the larger bands prevail. Grove City has always been strong musically, after what I saw last night, I would disagree with them moving more. I also felt their show lacked. Was not very interesting. I acknowledge that you prefer an older style of show design but as the activity evolves, adjudication should as well. The scores best that out this time. That you had a band of less than 70 performers achieve at a similar level as the top bands yesterday, shows judges are finally rewarding content, difficulty, and performer effectiveness.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 16, 2022 12:22:05 GMT -6
OMEA Ohio State 10/15Class B 1. Licking Valley 79.54 (I) 2. Carlisle 79.04 (II) 3. London 78.98 (I) 4. Maumee 78.9 (I) 5. Perkins 76.6 (II) Rating Only - Firelands (II) Some fascinating results there, with none of the B bands breaking 80 but three of them earning a Superior. I personally ranked them 1st (81/I) Maumee, 2nd (80.5/I) Licking Valley, 3rd (78.5/II) Carlisle, 4th (77.5/II) Perkins, 5th (77/II) London, 6th (75/II) Firelands. Firelands put on what was essentially a halftime show: basically a much less impressive version of Pickerington North's show in the Festival division (both played the music of Queen) but without an announcer between songs. And the judges agreed with me that even so they deserved a II not a III. A useful reminder of how open OMEA can be to different styles of marching band. Don't have a guard? You can still get a Superior at state finals (e.g., Wellington in 2015 -- and well deserved, I thought). Don't have a front ensemble? You can still at least qualify for state finals. Put on a flat-out football show? Depending on how good it is, your rating will reflect that. I daresay Pickerington North just might have earned a Superior with the show they put on yesterday. If not, it would have been the highest scoring performance not to do so. Two more general thoughts about the Buckeye Invitational: 1. The acoustics make the drums very loud, frequently overwhelming the rest of the bands' sounds. It's sort of the opposite of the effect that J. Birney Crum stadium in Allentown has on drum corps. The best-sounding bands either (a) had the battery bring the volume down a few notches, (b) were so large that the rest of the players won out by sheer numbers, or (c) were so tight and controlled that their sound still came through clearly. 2. Small bands generally do themselves no scoring favors performing at OSU. I trust that the experience of being there makes it worthwhile. That's an improvement from last week, but not enough. Looking pretty doubtful for the streak now. Wow! That's quite the feat!
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 16, 2022 13:24:13 GMT -6
Well I don't know. As an example of what you mention here, sure there's the experience of Beavercreek in 2017, when they were the largest band at the Buckeye Invitational and placed fourth, while Grove City, which was about 15% smaller than Beavercreek, placed first at that event. The judges didn't let size determine their choice. But was it not so in the past? As far back as the early-mid 1980s, Newton, with school enrollment of 200 and band membership of 75, was regularly competing in Class A or Class AA and winning. Marion Local, which is not much bigger, also successfully competed in Class AA for more than a decade starting in 1990. And tiny Berne Union has been besting lots of A and AA bands for more than 15 years. Again I'm not sure. For example, I heard Beavercreek parents grumbling circa 2014-2017 that the judges didn't like rock & roll music, and were scoring them lower for that reason. And then Beavercreek stopped playing their all-rock & roll shows, and now they're scoring higher. Does that mean the personal bias continues after all? I think I might dispute the term "advanced," at least so far as it's meant to imply "better" -- if that's meant to be in some way objective not subjective. Grove City demands that their performers play music at a very high level while simultaneously marching more than any other band in Ohio. What they lack is a variety of visual vocabulary. They appear to think it's more important to focus on developing a very particular set of skills to a very high level than to demonstrate a bunch of different skills. (Also they deliver more music -- about 25% more than Beavercreek this year -- than all but one or two other Ohio bands. If Grove City had shorter shows, maybe they could spend that time adding other visual techniques.) That the judges prefer otherwise is a dispute about taste. Of course, they're in charge of the scores! So if Grove City wants higher scores, they may have to bend to the judges' will. And maybe that's what they'll do. But there might be something good in the world that's lost because of it. I miss the musical writing of Beavercreek's rock & roll shows! It was unlike anything else I've heard a high school band do. Anyway, as I said last night, I thought Grove City had won but that Beavercreek was good enough -- for the first time I've ever seen -- that they might pull off the victory. (In 2017, I thought they should have been second not fourth -- but not a very close second.) And indeed they won by seven tenths. Seems reasonable to me. My own tastes in marching band are at odds with OMEA's judges as often as BOA's judges. Last year I thought Lakota West should have won this event by a point over Lakota East; OMEA's judges not only put East on top but put West in fourth but had more than two points between them, while BOA definitely seemed to prefer West to East last year. And I have been a big fan of Beavercreek since I first saw them in 2014, so good on them for this victory! [by B br] I usually don’t base my views on parents assuming something they have no way of knowing. Judges always have had biases. It’s human. You do, I do, we all do. Invariably in the past in OMEA shows, comparable groups would usually see the larger bands prevail. Grove City has always been strong musically, after what I saw last night, I would disagree with them moving more. I also felt their show lacked. Was not very interesting. I acknowledge that you prefer an older style of show design but as the activity evolves, adjudication should as well. The scores best that out this time. That you had a band of less than 70 performers achieve at a similar level as the top bands yesterday, shows judges are finally rewarding content, difficulty, and performer effectiveness. I always bristle at the word "evolves." Fashions change because people decide to change them, and those decisions could be wrong. That said, as the David Mason song goes, "There ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad guy, there's only you and me and we just disagree."
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Post by neop on Oct 16, 2022 15:40:28 GMT -6
OMEA Avon Lake 10/15Class A 3. Willoughby South 80.02 (I) 4. Firestone 79.56 (I) Ex. Avon Lake (I) Surprised to see scores for Willoughby South and Firestone, considering that they were both listed as Ratings Only. I'm still ecstatic to see Firestone and Avon Lake qualify, though, considering their 2021 seasons! (Didn't catch Springfield's rating) For anyone wondering, they seem to have gotten a I, according to their Facebook page. OMEA Meadowbrook 10/15Class B 2. Cambridge 65.0 (III) This is perhaps the most shocking score of the season for me. Cambridge qualified for state last year and attended 6 competitions along the way. As far as I can tell, this is their first scored competition of the season (and their second competition overall, after their home show), and this score is much lower than any score they received last season. What happened? Does anyone know of any circumstances that could've caused a band to struggle like this?
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Post by neop on Oct 16, 2022 16:42:08 GMT -6
OMEA Piqua 10/15Class C 3. Marion Local 76.12 (II) That's an improvement from last week, but not enough. Looking pretty doubtful for the streak now. Marion Local has one more performance this season at Tecumseh next weekend. Their score of 76.12 this weekend doesn't statistically leave them hopeless, but it's looking to be about a coin flip on whether they'll make it this season.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 16, 2022 16:52:24 GMT -6
I think I might dispute the term "advanced," at least so far as it's meant to imply "better" -- if that's meant to be in some way objective not subjective. Grove City demands that their performers play music at a very high level while simultaneously marching more than any other band in Ohio. What they lack is a variety of visual vocabulary. They appear to think it's more important to focus on developing a very particular set of skills to a very high level than to demonstrate a bunch of different skills. (Also they deliver more music -- about 25% more than Beavercreek this year -- than all but one or two other Ohio bands. If Grove City had shorter shows, maybe they could spend that time adding other visual techniques.) That the judges prefer otherwise is a dispute about taste. Of course, they're in charge of the scores! So if Grove City wants higher scores, they may have to bend to the judges' will. And maybe that's what they'll do. But there might be something good in the world that's lost because of it. I miss the musical writing of Beavercreek's rock & roll shows! It was unlike anything else I've heard a high school band do. I usually don’t base my views on parents assuming something they have no way of knowing. Judges always have had biases. It’s human. You do, I do, we all do. Invariably in the past in OMEA shows, comparable groups would usually see the larger bands prevail. Grove City has always been strong musically, after what I saw last night, I would disagree with them moving more. I also felt their show lacked. Was not very interesting. Thank you in particular for the passage I've bolded! You've nudged me to return to my roots. Six or seven years ago on another forum, I took out the stopwatch to time that season's shows by Broken Arrow, as an exemplar of what might be called BOA style, and Grove City, as what could be called an ideal of OMEA style. (Both circuits are actually more flexible than their reputations admit, but let's set that aside for now.) I don't have the exact figures to hand, but what I found was that Grove City played while moving about twice as much as Broken Arrow. But as I said then, I couldn't deny that I thought Broken Arrow's show was better, so apparently I agree with at least BOA's judges that the minimum threshold of moving and playing for a "marching band" to succeed is actually pretty low. But "put away the stopwatch" is sometimes used as bit of a taunt in the marching arts -- and also it's not the kind of thing you can measure in the moment if you're trying to record other impressions of a band's performance -- so while I meant to make a little project of checking various good bands to see where things stands, I never got around to it. Thus in my mind Grove City is the band that moves and plays twice as much as Broken Arrow (whether or not that's a good thing), but in my notes from the Watkins contest last week, I did note that their performance felt a bit "static" and "slow" -- I agree that it's "not very interesting," which I found particularly notable in light of their having borrowed or purchased props from last year's show by William Mason, which I found rather dull -- and yesterday, as I've mentioned, I noted the possibility that they might not win. Now, thanks to your comment, I've dug into this issue. And as Smaug says to Bilbo, my information was antiquated. It turns out that Grove City has "evolved" -- or devolved, depending on one's point of view. Since I had mentioned the 2017 Buckeye Invitational, I took that as my comparison point. What I was checking was the amount of time that any brass or woodwind players were moving while playing their instruments. In 2017, Beavercreek performed an 8 min. 2 sec. show, and they moved while playing for 3 min. 6 sec. In 2017, Grove City performed a 10 min. 29 sec. show, and they moved while playing for 5 min. 22 sec. Jump ahead to 2022, and Beavercreek performed a 7 min. 37 sec. show, and they moved while playing for 2 min. 15 sec. And Grove City in 2022? Well it turns out that in their 9 min. 43 sec. show, they moved while playing for just 2 min. 20 sec. That's a big change in style. Is that why Grove City went from scoring 2.37 points more than Beavercreek at the 2017 Buckeye Invitational to 0.68 points less than Beavercreek at the 2022 Buckeye Invitational? (Also, as someone else noted, scores are down generally. Beavercreek's first place score this year is only 0.3 better than their fourth place score in 2017 -- and the event happened on the same weekend in the season both years. Yes, different years, different shows, can't compare, etc. But still.) I haven't checked the shows from 2018-2021 yet, and may not get to that for some time, but I wonder if this happened gradually or suddenly. Was it because of Grove City's BOA trip in 2019? Is it a response to students' training having been interrupted by the Covid pandemic? You'll notice that show lengths are also down from five years ago. Do they plan to work back up to longer shows and more moving while playing as we finally exit pandemic recovery (one band parent from Perry told me their director says that next year will mark the low point of band membership)? And would it help? There is one competing Ohio band who probably takes the notion that marching bands need to move while playing too far. They are down in members some 30% from their pre-Covid numbers, but they've still put on a 10 min. 20 sec. show in which they move while playing 6 min. 30 sec. -- including four different stretches lasting more than a minute each. But they've never come close to beating a band like Grove City or Beavercreek (their guard did top Beavercreek's in 2016), and this year in particular they haven't even beat the bands that are usually their peers.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 16, 2022 19:53:09 GMT -6
Van Wert is officially on the State Finals schedule. They’ll be performing Sunday, October 30 at Piqua HS. Where can I find the schedule? I see that the OMEA SMBF website has been updated for 2022, and a tentative schedule is posted. It's dated Oct. 13, so before the Buckeye Invitational and other shows this weekend (e.g., Columbus Grove and London aren't listed yet). There are 126 slots, which are occupied by 88 bands so far. There were a couple surprises for me, despite having followed the news in this thread. Streaming will be available again this year.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 16, 2022 22:15:58 GMT -6
That's an improvement from last week, but not enough. Looking pretty doubtful for the streak now. Marion Local has one more performance this season at Tecumseh next weekend. Their score of 76.12 this weekend doesn't statistically leave them hopeless, but it's looking to be about a coin flip on whether they'll make it this season. Sometimes in past years it has seemed as if the judges will give bands the benefit of the doubt on the final weekend of the regular season if they encounter an edge case and think the band in question can prove at state, with another week or two of practice, that they deserved their qualification.
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Post by neop on Oct 16, 2022 22:52:59 GMT -6
Where can I find the schedule? I see that the OMEA SMBF website has been updated for 2022, and a tentative schedule is posted. It's dated Oct. 13, so before the Buckeye Invitational and other shows this weekend (e.g., Columbus Grove and London aren't listed yet). There are 126 slots, which are occupied by 88 bands so far. There were a couple surprises for me, despite having followed the news in this thread. Streaming will be available again this year. I see a few things that are unusual. Is Berne Union really competing in AA at state this year? I knew Sycamore was planning on attending SMBF once again, but it seems Kettering Fairmont will be joining them! The only bands (as far as I can tell) that have declined the invitation as of October 13 are Lakota West and Worthington Kilbourne, which is unsurprising, at least for Lakota West. I also see that Warren Local is on the schedule, meaning that they qualified at their home show last weekend, which I don't think we knew.
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Post by neop on Oct 16, 2022 23:14:32 GMT -6
I'm curious about a couple things... the announcer at Norton announced that Indian Valley had qualified for state. The band's Facebook even celebrates this achievement. Was there some sort of tabulation error? Yes, there was a mix up at Norton with the tabulation software. Indian Valley received 3 2s and 2 1s from the judges and should have gotten a 2, but a glitch shows them getting a 1, and I don’t believe anyone at the show caught it. I don’t know how OMEA plans to handle it moving forward. Looks like Indian Valley is on the schedule for OMEA SMBF, despite not having officially qualified. I can't help but ponder the ethics of this situation. They will be at two shows next weekend, so I hope they'll qualify on their own merit and OMEA won't have to worry.
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Post by neop on Oct 17, 2022 1:45:27 GMT -6
Copley Invitational
5:00pm - Wellington (C) 5:15pm - Black River (C) 5:30pm - Perkins (B)
5:45pm - BREAK
6:00pm - Avon Lake (A) 6:15pm - St. Edward (A) 6:30pm - Willoughby South (A) 6:45pm - Cloverleaf (A)
7:00pm - BREAK
7:15pm - Norton (A) 7:30pm - Brunswick (AA) 7:45pm - Medina (AA) 8:00pm - Amherst Steele (AA)
8:15pm - BREAK
8:30pm - Copley (A - RAITNGS ONLY)
8:45pm - AWARDS
New Philadelphia Field Competition
4:00pm - Crestview (C) 4:15pm - Coshocton (C) 4:30pm - Marlington (B) 4:45pm - Union Local (B) 5:00pm - Coventry (B)
5:15pm - BREAK
5:30pm - River View (B) 5:45pm - St. Clairsville (B) 6:00pm - Indian Valley (B) 6:15pm - Ridgewood (B)
6:30pm - CLASS B AND C AWARDS
7:45pm - Marietta (A) 8:00pm - Crestwood (A) 8:15pm - Revere (A) 8:30pm - Louisville (A)
8:45pm - BREAK
9:00pm - Nordonia (AA) 9:15pm - Hoover (AA) 9:30pm - New Philadelphia (A - RATINGS ONLY)
9:45pm - BREAK 9:55pm - CLASS A AND AA AWARDS
Forest Hills Band Expo
4:00pm - Grove City Christian (C) 4:15pm - Blanchester (C) 4:30pm - Madeira (B) 4:45pm - Arcanum (B)
5:00pm - BREAK
5:15pm - Norwood (B) 5:30pm - Deer Park (B) 5:45pm - Clinton-Massie (B) 6:00pm - Finneytown (B)
6:15pm - BREAK
6:45pm - Piqua (A) 7:00pm - Walter E. Stebbins (A) 7:15pm - Ross (A) 7:30pm - Lakota East (AA) 7:45pm - Dublin Scioto (AA)
8:00pm - BREAK
8:15pm - Loveland (AA) 8:30pm - Walnut Hills (AA) 8:45pm - Sycamore (AA - RATINGS ONLY) 9:00pm - Forest Hills (AA - RATINGS ONLY)
9:15pm - AWARDS
Newark Invitational
10:30am - Indian Valley (B) 10:45am - River View (B) 11:00am - Licking Valley (B) 11:15am - Lancaster (AA) <-- They're so early on the schedule because they've got to hurry home and host their own show later in the evening. 11:30am - Point Pleasant [WV] (A) 11:45am - Lexington (A) 12:00pm - Rock Hill (B)
12:15pm - BREAK
12:45pm - Groveport Madison (AA) 1:00pm - Westland (AA) 1:15pm - Big Walnut (AA) 1:30pm - Licking Heights (AA) 1:45pm - Pickerington Central (AA)
2:00pm - BREAK
2:15pm - Watkins Memorial (AA) 2:30pm - Dublin Jerome (AA) 2:45pm - Hilliard Bradley (AA)
3:00pm - BREAK
3:15pm - Newark (AA - RATINGS ONLY)
3:30pm - AWARDS
Nelsonville-York Buckeye Classic
11:00am - Athens (A) 11:15am - Berne Union (A) 11:30am - Chillicothe (A)
11:45am - BREAK
12:00pm - Dawson-Bryant (A) 12:15pm - Reynoldsburg (AA) 12:30pm - Hilliard Davidson (AA)
12:45pm - BREAK
1:15pm - Gallia Academy (B) 1:30pm - Meigs (B) 1:45pm - Wellston (B) 2:00pm - Belpre (C) 2:15pm - Nelsonville-York (EXHIBITION)
2:30pm - AWARDS
Lancaster Band of Gold Invitational
5:00pm - Belpre (C) 5:15pm - Fairbanks (C) 5:30pm - Millersport (C)
5:45pm - BREAK
6:00pm - Minford (B) 6:15pm - Bloom-Carroll (B) 6:30pm - Northwest (B) 6:45pm - Southeastern (B) 7:00pm - Eastern Brown (B) 7:15pm - Highland (B) 7:30pm - Rock Hill (B)
7:45pm - BREAK
8:00pm - Berne Union (A) 8:15pm - Chesapeake (A) 8:30pm - Dawson-Bryant (A) 8:45pm - Franklin Heights (A) 9:00pm - Hamilton Township (A)
9:15pm - BREAK
9:30pm - Lancaster (AA - RATINGS ONLY)
9:45pm - AWARDS
Other shows:
Bands at the Shawnee show may include Marysville, Newton, Shawnee, and Sycamore.
Bands at the Tecumseh show may include Dublin Coffman, Marion Local, Marysville, Tecumseh, Versailles, and Wilmington.
Bands at the Thomas Worthington show may include Buckeye, New London, Rossford, Thomas Worthington, and Worthington Kilbourne,
The Swanton Bulldog Bowl will have either 13 or 14 bands, depending on who you ask. Bands in attendance may include Arcadia and Van Buren.
The Tri-Valley Classic will host Canal Winchester, Crooksville, Dublin Coffman, Fort Frye, Hilliard Darby, John Glenn, Licking Valley, Maysville, Meadowbrook, Morgan, Philo, Point Pleasant [WV], Tri-Valley, Watkins Memorial, and Zanesville. The order/schedule is unknown to me.
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Post by rlrrll on Oct 17, 2022 9:05:53 GMT -6
Thomas Worthington
1 New London High School C R & Rank 5:30 PM
2 Madison-Plains High School C R & Rank 5:45 PM
3 Adena Local Schools C R & Rank 6:00 PM
4 Westfall High School C R & Rank 6:15 PM
5 Judges Break 6:30 PM
6 Heath High School B R & Rank 6:45 PM
7 London High School B R & Rank 7:00 PM
8 Buckeye High B R & Rank 7:15 PM
9 Bishop Watterson A R & Rank 7:30 PM
10 Judges Break 7:45 PM
11 Reynoldsburg High School AA R & Rank 8:00 PM
12 Delaware Hayes High School AA R & Rank 8:15 PM
13 Worthington Kilbourne High School AA R & Rank 8:30 PM
14 Dublin Jerome High School AA R & Rank 8:45 PM
15 Grove City High School AA R & Rank 9:00 PM
16 Pickerington High School Central AA R & Rank 9:15 PM
17 Thomas Worthington High School AA R.Only 9:30 PM
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 17, 2022 11:21:36 GMT -6
Newark Invitational... 11:15am - Lancaster (AA) <-- They're so early on the schedule because they've got to hurry home and host their own show later in the evening. ... Lancaster Band of Gold Invitational... 9:30pm - Lancaster (AA - RATINGS ONLY) 9:45pm - AWARDS ... The Swanton Bulldog Bowl will have either 13 or 14 bands, depending on who you ask. Bands in attendance may include Arcadia and Van Buren. That's a rough day for the Lancaster kids. - - - - - - - - - - If I'm feeling up to it (pretty rotten now, but at least the Covid test was negative), I'd love to get to two shows on Saturday. But there's no way to get from those early shows in central Ohio to the northern Ohio evening shows without missing some bands at one end or the other, so I'm stuck mid-state regardless. And if one's goals are to see as many bands as possible, to see bands who are unlikely to appear at state finals, and to see how some of the best bands stack up head-to-head in person, something's got to give. Also I like to see Berne Union in person every year before state finals, but driving more than three hours to Nelsonville-York in the morning? Not ideal. Depending on whether the Shawnee schedule is found, I think perhaps Newark in the morning and Thomas Worthington in the evening -- although I'm curious about the Tri-Valley show in Dresden. I actually stopped there last year en route from Lancaster to New Philadelphia just to buy their program. - - - - - - - - - - As for Swanton, the North Royalton band is pretty good about including a full list of bands for events they will attend, though not the exact schedule (and it turns out their list, posted more than a week ago, was missing one band), and what they listed helped me identify another of the performing bands -- I'll discuss them in a moment -- whose website had the full schedule. Bulldog Bowl - Swanton H.S. - Oct. 22, 20225:00 p.m. Star-Spangled Banner5:15 p.m. -- Fort Recovery (C) 5:30 p.m. -- Kalida (C) 5:45 p.m. -- Arcadia (C) 6:00 p.m. -- Woodmore (C) 6:15 p.m. -- Ada (C) 6:45 p.m. -- Van Buren (B) 7:00 p.m. -- Wauseon (B) 7:15 p.m. -- St. John’s Jesuit (B) 7:30 p.m. -- Rossford (B) 8:00 p.m. -- Springfield (A) 8:15 p.m. -- Sylvania Southview (A) 8:30 p.m. -- North Royalton (AA) 9:00 p.m. -- Swanton (Festival) 9:15 p.m. Awards Sylvania Southview will receive a rating and score. To my knowledge they've never competed before. Their itinerary (which is where I found the full schedule) says, "This is a new type of event for the Southview Band". If their Facebook page photo is up to date, they would appear to have 93 members (including 11 in the guard, which includes 2 majorettes -- and I would note that a band with majorettes did earn an a Superior on Saturday at the Buckeye Invitational), which is not a bad size for Class A these days. Best wishes to them! I have to think this will be tight between Van Buren and North Royalton, and if I were betting, my money would be on Van Buren to win. I'm sorry Swanton stopped competing (last year?), since they had qualified for state a few times and they always seemed to have potential for more.
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Post by neop on Oct 17, 2022 12:02:07 GMT -6
Newark Invitational... 11:15am - Lancaster (AA) <-- They're so early on the schedule because they've got to hurry home and host their own show later in the evening. ... Lancaster Band of Gold Invitational... 9:30pm - Lancaster (AA - RATINGS ONLY) 9:45pm - AWARDS ... The Swanton Bulldog Bowl will have either 13 or 14 bands, depending on who you ask. Bands in attendance may include Arcadia and Van Buren. That's a rough day for the Lancaster kids. - - - - - - - - - - If I'm feeling up to it (pretty rotten now, but at least the Covid test was negative), I'd love to get to two shows on Saturday. But there's no way to get from those early shows in central Ohio to the northern Ohio evening shows without missing some bands at one end or the other, so I'm stuck mid-state regardless. And if one's goals are to see as many bands as possible, to see bands who are unlikely to appear at state finals, and to see how some of the best bands stack up head-to-head in person, something's got to give. Also I like to see Berne Union in person every year before state finals, but driving more than three hours to Nelsonville-York in the morning? Not ideal. Depending on whether the Shawnee schedule is found, I think perhaps Newark in the morning and Thomas Worthington in the evening -- although I'm curious about the Tri-Valley show in Dresden. I actually stopped there last year en route from Lancaster to New Philadelphia just to buy their program. - - - - - - - - - - As for Swanton, the North Royalton band is pretty good about including a full list of bands for events they will attend, though not the exact schedule (and it turns out their list, posted more than a week ago, was missing one band), and what they listed helped me identify another of the performing bands -- I'll discuss them in a moment -- whose website had the full schedule. Bulldog Bowl - Swanton H.S. - Oct. 22, 20225:00 p.m. Star-Spangled Banner5:15 p.m. -- Fort Recovery (C) 5:30 p.m. -- Kalida (C) 5:45 p.m. -- Arcadia (C) 6:00 p.m. -- Woodmore (C) 6:15 p.m. -- Ada (C) 6:45 p.m. -- Van Buren (B) 7:00 p.m. -- Wauseon (B) 7:15 p.m. -- St. John’s Jesuit (B) 7:30 p.m. -- Rossford (B) 8:00 p.m. -- Springfield (A) 8:15 p.m. -- Sylvania Southview (A) 8:30 p.m. -- North Royalton (AA) 9:00 p.m. -- Swanton (Festival) 9:15 p.m. Awards Sylvania Southview will receive a rating and score. To my knowledge they've never competed before. Their itinerary (which is where I found the full schedule) says, "This is a new type of event for the Southview Band". If their Facebook page photo is up to date, they would appear to have 93 members (including 11 in the guard, which includes 2 majorettes -- and I would note that a band with majorettes did earn an a Superior on Saturday at the Buckeye Invitational), which is not a bad size for Class A these days. Best wishes to them! I have to think this will be tight between Van Buren and North Royalton, and if I were betting, my money would be on Van Buren to win. I'm sorry Swanton stopped competing (last year?), since they had qualified for state a few times and they always seemed to have potential for more. Seeing new bands compete is my favorite!!! There's always a chance for anyone to qualify. My alma mater, in its first year competing, attended just one show on the final weekend (New Philadelphia) and qualified. Van Wert, an infrequent competitor, only attended one show this year and qualified. Best of luck to Sylvania Southview. I adore what Van Buren has been doing. They really do a fantastic job with a small band. Swanton actually went to state 31 times! Their last superior rating at state was in 2002. Always a shame to see a storied program like that stop competing.
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Post by neop on Oct 17, 2022 12:29:32 GMT -6
The SMBF schedule has been updated. Most bands qualifying on Saturday have been added to the schedule, with the exception of Ada. Not sure why that would be. I also see that River View qualified at their home show this weekend, which we haven't seen results for yet.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 17, 2022 15:56:48 GMT -6
The SMBF schedule has been updated. Most bands qualifying on Saturday have been added to the schedule, with the exception of Ada. Not sure why that would be. I also see that River View qualified at their home show this weekend, which we haven't seen results for yet. Well, they don't have to submit their application until this Saturday evening, I believe. Maybe they are weighing the pros and cons of the first weekend vs. the second. Their band boosters Facebook page clearly says they are "state bound" with many explanation points.
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Post by neop on Oct 18, 2022 18:26:34 GMT -6
The SMBF schedule has been updated. Most bands qualifying on Saturday have been added to the schedule, with the exception of Ada. Not sure why that would be. I also see that River View qualified at their home show this weekend, which we haven't seen results for yet. Well, they don't have to submit their application until this Saturday evening, I believe. Maybe they are weighing the pros and cons of the first weekend vs. the second. Their band boosters Facebook page clearly says they are "state bound" with many explanation points. They're on the schedule now.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 18, 2022 20:05:39 GMT -6
PiquaCentral Crossing received best Color Guard in Class AA, 1st place in Class AA, best Music overall, best Visual overall, best General Effect overall, best Color Guard overall, and Grand Champion, as well as a rating of I.
Marysville received best Percussion in Class AA, 2nd place in Class AA, best Percussion overall, and Reserve Grand Champion, as well as a rating of I.
Troy received 3rd place in Class AA, as well as a rating of I.
Ada received a rating of I. A few other awards announced at Piqua: Class CGuard - Ada Percussion - Covington Class BGuard - Versailles Percussion - Versailles Class B/C (obvious from the scores) Champion - Versailles Class AGuard and Percussion - Edgewood (the only band) Just noticed Edgewood's score in ohioguy2's post. That's a big jump from the previous week.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 18, 2022 20:44:21 GMT -6
If I'm feeling up to it (pretty rotten now, but at least the Covid test was negative), I'd love to get to two shows on Saturday. Spoke too soon. Be sure to get the latest booster shot, folks. This is just miserable.
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Post by neop on Oct 18, 2022 21:34:40 GMT -6
If I'm feeling up to it (pretty rotten now, but at least the Covid test was negative), I'd love to get to two shows on Saturday. Spoke too soon. Be sure to get the latest booster shot, folks. This is just miserable. Hang in there. I had COVID in March 2021 and I don't think I've ever slept so much in my entire life.
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Post by oldarmybandguy on Oct 19, 2022 12:58:19 GMT -6
Copley Invitational5:00pm - Wellington (C) 5:15pm - Black River (C) 5:30pm - Perkins (B) 5:45pm - BREAK 6:00pm - Avon Lake (A) 6:15pm - St. Edward (A) 6:30pm - Willoughby South (A) 6:45pm - Cloverleaf (A) 7:00pm - BREAK 7:15pm - Norton (A) 7:30pm - Brunswick (AA) 7:45pm - Medina (AA) 8:00pm - Amherst Steele (AA) 8:15pm - BREAK 8:30pm - Copley (A - RAITNGS ONLY) 8:45pm - AWARDS New Philadelphia Field Competition4:00pm - Crestview (C) 4:15pm - Coshocton (C) 4:30pm - Marlington (B) 4:45pm - Union Local (B) 5:00pm - Coventry (B) 5:15pm - BREAK 5:30pm - River View (B) 5:45pm - St. Clairsville (B) 6:00pm - Indian Valley (B) 6:15pm - Ridgewood (B) 6:30pm - CLASS B AND C AWARDS 7:45pm - Marietta (A) 8:00pm - Crestwood (A) 8:15pm - Revere (A) 8:30pm - Louisville (A) 8:45pm - BREAK 9:00pm - Nordonia (AA) 9:15pm - Hoover (AA) 9:30pm - New Philadelphia (A - RATINGS ONLY) 9:45pm - BREAK 9:55pm - CLASS A AND AA AWARDS Forest Hills Band Expo4:00pm - Grove City Christian (C) 4:15pm - Blanchester (C) 4:30pm - Madeira (B) 4:45pm - Arcanum (B) 5:00pm - BREAK 5:15pm - Norwood (B) 5:30pm - Deer Park (B) 5:45pm - Clinton-Massie (B) 6:00pm - Finneytown (B) 6:15pm - BREAK 6:45pm - Piqua (A) 7:00pm - Walter E. Stebbins (A) 7:15pm - Ross (A) 7:30pm - Lakota East (AA) 7:45pm - Dublin Scioto (AA) 8:00pm - BREAK 8:15pm - Loveland (AA) 8:30pm - Walnut Hills (AA) 8:45pm - Sycamore (AA - RATINGS ONLY) 9:00pm - Forest Hills (AA - RATINGS ONLY) 9:15pm - AWARDS Newark Invitational10:30am - Indian Valley (B) 10:45am - River View (B) 11:00am - Licking Valley (B) 11:15am - Lancaster (AA) <-- They're so early on the schedule because they've got to hurry home and host their own show later in the evening. 11:30am - Point Pleasant [WV] (A) 11:45am - Lexington (A) 12:00pm - Rock Hill (B) 12:15pm - BREAK 12:45pm - Groveport Madison (AA) 1:00pm - Westland (AA) 1:15pm - Big Walnut (AA) 1:30pm - Licking Heights (AA) 1:45pm - Pickerington Central (AA) 2:00pm - BREAK 2:15pm - Watkins Memorial (AA) 2:30pm - Dublin Jerome (AA) 2:45pm - Hilliard Bradley (AA) 3:00pm - BREAK 3:15pm - Newark (AA - RATINGS ONLY) 3:30pm - AWARDS Nelsonville-York Buckeye Classic11:00am - Athens (A) 11:15am - Berne Union (A) 11:30am - Chillicothe (A) 11:45am - BREAK 12:00pm - Dawson-Bryant (A) 12:15pm - Reynoldsburg (AA) 12:30pm - Hilliard Davidson (AA) 12:45pm - BREAK 1:15pm - Gallia Academy (B) 1:30pm - Meigs (B) 1:45pm - Wellston (B) 2:00pm - Belpre (C) 2:15pm - Nelsonville-York (EXHIBITION) 2:30pm - AWARDS Lancaster Band of Gold Invitational5:00pm - Belpre (C) 5:15pm - Fairbanks (C) 5:30pm - Millersport (C) 5:45pm - BREAK 6:00pm - Minford (B) 6:15pm - Bloom-Carroll (B) 6:30pm - Northwest (B) 6:45pm - Southeastern (B) 7:00pm - Eastern Brown (B) 7:15pm - Highland (B) 7:30pm - Rock Hill (B) 7:45pm - BREAK 8:00pm - Berne Union (A) 8:15pm - Chesapeake (A) 8:30pm - Dawson-Bryant (A) 8:45pm - Franklin Heights (A) 9:00pm - Hamilton Township (A) 9:15pm - BREAK 9:30pm - Lancaster (AA - RATINGS ONLY) 9:45pm - AWARDS Other shows: Bands at the Shawnee show may include Marysville, Newton, Shawnee, and Sycamore. Bands at the Tecumseh show may include Dublin Coffman, Marion Local, Marysville, Tecumseh, Versailles, and Wilmington. Bands at the Thomas Worthington show may include Buckeye, New London, Rossford, Thomas Worthington, and Worthington Kilbourne, The Swanton Bulldog Bowl will have either 13 or 14 bands, depending on who you ask. Bands in attendance may include Arcadia and Van Buren. The Tri-Valley Classic will host Canal Winchester, Crooksville, Dublin Coffman, Fort Frye, Hilliard Darby, John Glenn, Licking Valley, Maysville, Meadowbrook, Morgan, Philo, Point Pleasant [WV], Tri-Valley, Watkins Memorial, and Zanesville. The order/schedule is unknown to me. It's disappointing that Forest Hills is only going for rating...but I guess since it's their hosting show, they wouldn't normally compete, I just think it would be interesting to see how they would stack up head-to-head with Lakota East. I appreciate all the postings here, my kids aren't quite in high school yet, and their school's web page is scant on schedule details.
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Post by Allohak on Oct 19, 2022 17:26:39 GMT -6
If I'm feeling up to it (pretty rotten now, but at least the Covid test was negative), I'd love to get to two shows on Saturday. Spoke too soon. Be sure to get the latest booster shot, folks. This is just miserable. Rest up and feel better soon, please and thanks!
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