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Post by Jake W. on Nov 14, 2022 15:00:01 GMT -6
That's a good point, and BOA already does a great job of working with state organizations to plan events around/work out a schedule with. It's a process the organization is quite familiar with. OK really does need something!! I'm glad STL & DFW contests are in their backyards, but it would be so great to see a contest in the state itself. I also think a Kansas City event could attract more OK participation. And would keep bringing in those NE/KS/SD/IA bands!
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Post by hdni on Nov 22, 2022 12:29:21 GMT -6
Rumblings at Grand Nationals this year of BOA starting a A-AA Grand Nationals in Johnson City. Word is that this would take classes out of it the Indy GN and semis would be just straight up top 30. Anyone hear something similar?
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 22, 2022 15:06:27 GMT -6
Rumblings at Grand Nationals this year of BOA starting a A-AA Grand Nationals in Johnson City. Word is that this would take classes out of it the Indy GN and semis would be just straight up top 30. Anyone hear something similar? I suppose I would be for this since I dug in my heels so much about classes earlier, maybe took that too far lol. But would the actual grand nationals allow A and AA too in addition to obviously AAA and AAAA still? There would just be no class awards in the normal sense at the actual grand nationals. I wonder if they would be on the same weekend or not, that would probably answer my question.
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Post by dbalash on Nov 22, 2022 18:18:58 GMT -6
I've heard that there is discussion about this. However, I feel that A/AA MUST be at Grand Nationals in Indy; keeping classes.
Here's my thought: -A/AA can start Wednesday night where the IPS tournament used to be a zillion years ago (RIP). Bands that need to get home for school or whatever perform here, and A/AA continues into Thursday. This year, there were 26 A bands, 29 AA bands. -AAA/AAAA starts later Thursday, goes until 5:00 (or whatever) Friday. 44 AAA/AAAA bands this year. -12 band A/AA Finals Friday night - top 3 from A & AA get automatic berth, next 6 highest scoring. Top 3 in finals make semifinals. -A/AA Finals this year would have been: -A automatic bids: Archbishop Alter, Beechwood, Bourbon County
-AA automatic bids: Tarpon Springs, Jenison, Morton
-Next 6: Kiski Area, Miamisburg, Campbell County, Grain Valley, Marian Catholic, Reeths-Puffer/Anderson County
-Saturday semifinals: 30 bands + A/AA top 3 -Saturday night top 12 + A/AA champion in exhibition should they not qualify for finals.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Nov 22, 2022 20:12:27 GMT -6
Rumblings at Grand Nationals this year of BOA starting a A-AA Grand Nationals in Johnson City. Word is that this would take classes out of it the Indy GN and semis would be just straight up top 30. Anyone hear something similar? I just cannot see the mini-dome being an adequate venue for a A-AA Grand Nationals competition. Logistically it's fine as far as the band parking lots and warmup areas go but spectator seating would be a major problem. Wikipedia says the seating capacity is 8,539 and you can cut that in half for home side seating. The concourse area is barely big enough to handle the crowd at a regular regional as well and would not be able to accommodate all of the band related vendors that would want to set up at a GN level competition. In addition to that the home and away sides are not accessible to each other within the stadium for spectators. You have to completely exit the stadium and go around and re-enter through the ticketing area, which would be a major headache for bands that have to sit on the away side. I know the mini-dome was used to host GN for a couple years back in the early 80's but I don't see it as a viable option for anything more than a regular regional now.
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Post by paddy on Nov 23, 2022 5:42:37 GMT -6
I've heard that there is discussion about this. However, I feel that A/AA MUST be at Grand Nationals in Indy; keeping classes. Here's my thought: -A/AA can start Wednesday night where the IPS tournament used to be a zillion years ago (RIP). Bands that need to get home for school or whatever perform here, and A/AA continues into Thursday. This year, there were 26 A bands, 29 AA bands. -AAA/AAAA starts later Thursday, goes until 5:00 (or whatever) Friday. 44 AAA/AAAA bands this year. -12 band A/AA Finals Friday night - top 3 from A & AA get automatic berth, next 6 highest scoring. Top 3 in finals make semifinals. -A/AA Finals this year would have been: -A automatic bids: Archbishop Alter, Beechwood, Bourbon County
-AA automatic bids: Tarpon Springs, Jenison, Morton
-Next 6: Kiski Area, Miamisburg, Campbell County, Grain Valley, Marian Catholic, Reeths-Puffer/Anderson County
-Saturday semifinals: 30 bands + A/AA top 3 -Saturday night top 12 + A/AA champion in exhibition should they not qualify for finals. I’ve heard the goal is to get more representation of A/AA in semifinals. Your plan reduces the representation.
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Post by philodemus on Nov 23, 2022 7:08:09 GMT -6
Not really sure how to feel about all this.
I'm a small band guy, that's my first love, that's what I care about most.
Separating us out and giving us our own event would have some upside: more groups advancing to have multiple runs is good, and not having to contend for a national title at 6:00 in the [**profanity laced tirade**] morning would be a huge plus. On the other hand, you wouldn't have the chance for a small school to get the spotlight that the large schools provide. Think about this year, where everyone walked away talking about Alter, or 2021 where every podcast for a week was about Murray's fight scene... We wouldn't have that anymore. I mean, if it was the same weekend, would Box 5 even bother to send the JV team to stream it?
And, would Tarpon even want to go to a A/AA event? Would Marian?
There would be one huge advantage, though: none of us can afford Wes Cartwright, so watching Semifinals at the A/AA event wouldn't entail fifteen variations of Flowing Dresses with 20 Iterations of the Same Abstract Prop Being Pushed Around Aimlessly. Y'all can keep that at the Big School Show.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 23, 2022 19:52:00 GMT -6
Not really sure how to feel about all this. I'm a small band guy, that's my first love, that's what I care about most. Separating us out and giving us our own event would have some upside: more groups advancing to have multiple runs is good, and not having to contend for a national title at 6:00 in the [** profanity laced tirade**] morning would be a huge plus. On the other hand, you wouldn't have the chance for a small school to get the spotlight that the large schools provide. Think about this year, where everyone walked away talking about Alter, or 2021 where every podcast for a week was about Murray's fight scene... We wouldn't have that anymore. I mean, if it was the same weekend, would Box 5 even bother to send the JV team to stream it? And, would Tarpon even want to go to a A/AA event? Would Marian? There would be one huge advantage, though: none of us can afford Wes Cartwright, so watching Semifinals at the A/AA event wouldn't entail fifteen variations of Flowing Dresses with 20 Iterations of the Same Abstract Prop Being Pushed Around Aimlessly. Y'all can keep that at the Big School Show. Wes does have a couple of AA bands! You can’t completely escape 😈 At this point, Marian would do well to make finals in an A/AA exclusive event. There really isn’t any AA band that can be considered in with Tarpon now. Going off of this year’s nationals, Kiski isn’t in the conversation to be anymore. Morton was the closest, and they’re still in an area of “better than most AA bands, but can still be beat by plenty of them depending on the performance”. You know…touchable.
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 24, 2022 8:46:44 GMT -6
Not really sure how to feel about all this. I'm a small band guy, that's my first love, that's what I care about most. Separating us out and giving us our own event would have some upside: more groups advancing to have multiple runs is good, and not having to contend for a national title at 6:00 in the [** profanity laced tirade**] morning would be a huge plus. On the other hand, you wouldn't have the chance for a small school to get the spotlight that the large schools provide. Think about this year, where everyone walked away talking about Alter, or 2021 where every podcast for a week was about Murray's fight scene... We wouldn't have that anymore. I mean, if it was the same weekend, would Box 5 even bother to send the JV team to stream it? And, would Tarpon even want to go to a A/AA event? Would Marian? There would be one huge advantage, though: none of us can afford Wes Cartwright, so watching Semifinals at the A/AA event wouldn't entail fifteen variations of Flowing Dresses with 20 Iterations of the Same Abstract Prop Being Pushed Around Aimlessly. Y'all can keep that at the Big School Show. Wes does have a couple of AA bands! You can’t completely escape 😈 At this point, Marian would do well to make finals in an A/AA exclusive event. There really isn’t any AA band that can be considered in with Tarpon now. Going off of this year’s nationals, Kiski isn’t in the conversation to be anymore. Morton was the closest, and they’re still in an area of “better than most AA bands, but can still be beat by plenty of them depending on the performance”. You know…touchable. This is a good point. Outside of Tarpon, the rest of the really good AA bands are REALLY GOOD! But, they are generally pretty close to one another in skill based on the year and performance. Outside of Tarpon, the top 5 AA bands in random order are Jenison, Kiski, Morton, Norwin, and probably Grain Valley. All of these bands are really freaking good but do fluctuate year to year and that's normal for 90 percent of bands. I think it's just more noticeable here since there are fewer top competing AA bands than there are AAAA. Side not here...its really weird to talk about AA and not have Marian in the conversation but based off the past 2 years,unless major changes occur, I don't think Marian in the 2A conversation anymore which is very unfortunate.
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Post by dbalash on Nov 24, 2022 9:26:31 GMT -6
Wes does have a couple of AA bands! You can’t completely escape 😈 At this point, Marian would do well to make finals in an A/AA exclusive event. There really isn’t any AA band that can be considered in with Tarpon now. Going off of this year’s nationals, Kiski isn’t in the conversation to be anymore. Morton was the closest, and they’re still in an area of “better than most AA bands, but can still be beat by plenty of them depending on the performance”. You know…touchable. This is a good point. Outside of Tarpon, the rest of the really good AA bands are REALLY GOOD! But, they are generally pretty close to one another in skill based on the year and performance. Outside of Tarpon, the top 5 AA bands in random order are Jenison, Kiski, Morton, Norwin, and probably Grain Valley. All of these bands are really freaking good but do fluctuate year to year and that's normal for 90 percent of bands. I think it's just more noticeable here since there are fewer top competing AA bands than there are AAAA. Side not here...its really weird to talk about AA and not have Marian in the conversation but based off the past 2 years,unless major changes occur, I don't think Marian in the 2A conversation anymore which is very unfortunate. Nah, they'll be in the 1A conversation.
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Post by philodemus on Nov 24, 2022 11:12:37 GMT -6
Nah, they'll be in the 1A conversation. Definitely! But, two questions there: 1. Would a Johnson City location change the calculus for Marian? That’s a lot further for them than Indy. My guess is probably not, but just wondering. 2. Where in the 1A conversation? Would we expect them to dominate 1A as Tarpon does 2A? Or more “Favored, but not dominant.” Or, and I admit my biases might be the only thing making me consider this, “In the mix and as likely to come in 2nd or 3rd”? I mean, it’s hard for me to see Alter beating them, but (incoming unpopular opinion) it’s hard for me to see that Alter beat literally anyone in the Kentucky Three… so…
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 24, 2022 13:21:47 GMT -6
This is a good point. Outside of Tarpon, the rest of the really good AA bands are REALLY GOOD! But, they are generally pretty close to one another in skill based on the year and performance. Outside of Tarpon, the top 5 AA bands in random order are Jenison, Kiski, Morton, Norwin, and probably Grain Valley. All of these bands are really freaking good but do fluctuate year to year and that's normal for 90 percent of bands. I think it's just more noticeable here since there are fewer top competing AA bands than there are AAAA. Side not here...its really weird to talk about AA and not have Marian in the conversation but based off the past 2 years,unless major changes occur, I don't think Marian in the 2A conversation anymore which is very unfortunate. Nah, they'll be in the 1A conversation. They will be in the 1A conversation but I don't think they will dominate like people assume to be completely honest.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 24, 2022 23:59:59 GMT -6
Nah, they'll be in the 1A conversation. Definitely! But, two questions there: 1. Would a Johnson City location change the calculus for Marian? That’s a lot further for them than Indy. My guess is probably not, but just wondering. 2. Where in the 1A conversation? Would we expect them to dominate 1A as Tarpon does 2A? Or more “Favored, but not dominant.” Or, and I admit my biases might be the only thing making me consider this, “In the mix and as likely to come in 2nd or 3rd”? I mean, it’s hard for me to see Alter beating them, but (incoming unpopular opinion) it’s hard for me to see that Alter beat literally anyone in the Kentucky Three… so… Well Alter did in fact beat them this year so
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Post by philodemus on Nov 25, 2022 9:13:26 GMT -6
I mean, it’s hard for me to see Alter beating them, but (incoming unpopular opinion) it’s hard for me to see that Alter beat literally anyone in the Kentucky Three… so… Well Alter did in fact beat them this year so Right! That's my point: since I don't really see how that occurred, perhaps no one should value my opinion that Alter wouldn't beat Marian very highly. I, clearly, am not a great judge here.
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Post by paddy on Nov 25, 2022 13:18:07 GMT -6
Definitely! But, two questions there: 1. Would a Johnson City location change the calculus for Marian? That’s a lot further for them than Indy. My guess is probably not, but just wondering. 2. Where in the 1A conversation? Would we expect them to dominate 1A as Tarpon does 2A? Or more “Favored, but not dominant.” Or, and I admit my biases might be the only thing making me consider this, “In the mix and as likely to come in 2nd or 3rd”? I mean, it’s hard for me to see Alter beating them, but (incoming unpopular opinion) it’s hard for me to see that Alter beat literally anyone in the Kentucky Three… so… Well Alter did in fact beat them this year so Huge panel discrepancy in that area of the results. Alter was 24th in panel 1 and MC was 14th. There wasn’t that type of imbalance in band quality.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Nov 25, 2022 13:43:37 GMT -6
Rumblings at Grand Nationals this year of BOA starting a A-AA Grand Nationals in Johnson City. Word is that this would take classes out of it the Indy GN and semis would be just straight up top 30. Anyone hear something similar? I hope that is just rumor. Small school band programs should compete at that event in that venue. I of course am all for making adjustments to have more of the smaller school band programs be able to perform more than just once. Obviously this is a complex issue with no easy solution. What I am getting from this post is that maybe an updated format needs to be considered. Since the start of Grand Nationals in 1976, these are the years of big format changes; 1980 with the addition of class AA, 1991 with the class championship format, 1996 with the introduction of the semi finals format and 2009 with the expansion to 4 classes. So yes, Grand Nationals may be due for another format adjustment. The format adjustments in the past all occurred because of similar issues, number 1 was to accomate more bands and number 2 was how to address the increasing range of school sizes as there has continued to be a ton of very small schools while the large schools keep getting larger.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 27, 2022 21:22:05 GMT -6
Well Alter did in fact beat them this year so Huge panel discrepancy in that area of the results. Alter was 24th in panel 1 and MC was 14th. There wasn’t that type of imbalance in band quality. How are panels decided? I know there's some amount of balancing, but is it set in stone before the season starts or is there any type of weight that considers previous performances in the season? It seems to me that it would make the most sense to balance after Super Regionals, but I can also see how with travel times and returning class champions it could be a complete logistical nightmare. I didn't get to watch Marian, but from what I've heard, Alter's music win was indisputable regardless of panel.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 28, 2022 7:29:28 GMT -6
Huge panel discrepancy in that area of the results. Alter was 24th in panel 1 and MC was 14th. There wasn’t that type of imbalance in band quality. How are panels decided? I know there's some amount of balancing, but is it set in stone before the season starts or is there any type of weight that considers previous performances in the season? It seems to me that it would make the most sense to balance after Super Regionals, but I can also see how with travel times and returning class champions it could be a complete logistical nightmare. I didn't get to watch Marian, but from what I've heard, Alter's music win was indisputable regardless of panel. The schedule is set with the goal of (roughly) balancing the NUMBER of bands from each class across the panels. ZERO consideration is given to relative band strength in assignments across panels. That's why there are sometimes years that there are four or five AA bands advancing from one panel among the Top 30 and one or both AA semifinalists from the other panel having advanced on class placement only. To the other point about Alter's Class A win (and music caption, specifically) - this had nothing to do with Panel 1 vs Panel 2. All 34 semifinalists were scored by a single set of adjudicators AND the Class A bands were four consecutive performances on Saturday morning so Alter went head-to-head with the "Kentucky Three" in more ways than one.
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Post by philodemus on Nov 28, 2022 8:24:18 GMT -6
I do not think Alter's success, either in Prelims or in Semifinals, was a result of draw or panel or whatever.
However, I watched the 4 1A groups in succession Saturday morning and find myself quite befuddled by the outcome. That's all.
We need a forum code word for "I'm not trying to take anything away from the students who I have nothing but respect for, however, I find the decisions made by the adult judges hard to understand... though I am willing to be enlightened and convinced by further information or discussion."
I propose our code word be velociraptor. Here, I'll use it in sentence: "Alter won... velociraptor?"
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Post by paddy on Nov 28, 2022 8:33:12 GMT -6
How are panels decided? I know there's some amount of balancing, but is it set in stone before the season starts or is there any type of weight that considers previous performances in the season? It seems to me that it would make the most sense to balance after Super Regionals, but I can also see how with travel times and returning class champions it could be a complete logistical nightmare. I didn't get to watch Marian, but from what I've heard, Alter's music win was indisputable regardless of panel. The schedule is set with the goal of (roughly) balancing the NUMBER of bands from each class across the panels. ZERO consideration is given to relative band strength in assignments across panels. That's why there are sometimes years that there are four or five AA bands advancing from one panel among the Top 30 and one or both AA semifinalists from the other panel having advanced on class placement only. To the other point about Alter's Class A win (and music caption, specifically) - this had nothing to do with Panel 1 vs Panel 2. All 34 semifinalists were scored by a single set of adjudicators AND the Class A bands were four consecutive performances on Saturday morning so Alter went head-to-head with the "Kentucky Three" in more ways than one. I know too many directors and talented people around the activity who would vehemently disagree with you to believe the bolded section.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 28, 2022 10:05:28 GMT -6
The schedule is set with the goal of (roughly) balancing the NUMBER of bands from each class across the panels. ZERO consideration is given to relative band strength in assignments across panels. That's why there are sometimes years that there are four or five AA bands advancing from one panel among the Top 30 and one or both AA semifinalists from the other panel having advanced on class placement only. To the other point about Alter's Class A win (and music caption, specifically) - this had nothing to do with Panel 1 vs Panel 2. All 34 semifinalists were scored by a single set of adjudicators AND the Class A bands were four consecutive performances on Saturday morning so Alter went head-to-head with the "Kentucky Three" in more ways than one. I know too many directors and talented people around the activity who would vehemently disagree with you to believe the bolded section. So do you (and those directors and other talents) believe that MFA intentionally puts most or all of the strongest groups from a particular class on a single panel? That's the only alternative to my statement that you choose to not believe. I look forward to the reasoning behind your response.
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Post by paddy on Nov 28, 2022 11:14:47 GMT -6
I know too many directors and talented people around the activity who would vehemently disagree with you to believe the bolded section. So do you (and those directors and other talents) believe that MFA intentionally puts most or all of the strongest groups from a particular class on a single panel? That's the only alternative to my statement that you choose to not believe. I look forward to the reasoning behind your response. It isn't the only alternative. Your statement I took issue with - ZERO consideration is given to relative band strength in assignments across panelsThe alternatives: 1. They stack the strongest groups in a single panel (your ONLY alternative when I said nothing about classes) 2. There is balancing across panels 3. There is balancing across performance blocks 4. There is balancing across performance blocks and panels 5. There is balancing across performance blocks and panels by class So I have at least 4 other alternatives to your ONLY alternative and won't waste my time typing more. Here is my general (and last) statement on this... The draw is not as random as MFA makes it out to be.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 28, 2022 12:15:36 GMT -6
So do you (and those directors and other talents) believe that MFA intentionally puts most or all of the strongest groups from a particular class on a single panel? That's the only alternative to my statement that you choose to not believe. I look forward to the reasoning behind your response. It isn't the only alternative. Your statement I took issue with - ZERO consideration is given to relative band strength in assignments across panelsThe alternatives: 1. They stack the strongest groups in a single panel (your ONLY alternative when I said nothing about classes) 2. There is balancing across panels 3. There is balancing across performance blocks 4. There is balancing across performance blocks and panels 5. There is balancing across performance blocks and panels by class So I have at least 4 other alternatives to your ONLY alternative and won't waste my time typing more. Here is my general (and last) statement on this... The draw is not as random as MFA makes it out to be. Your alternative number one is the intentional stacking I asked if you were in favor of. Your alternative number two is what I claim is NOT done. Your alternative number three simply can't be true within the parameters for nearby/distant bands being able to request a Thursday (usually evening) or Friday (guaranteed to be in the first block) time slot. Your alternative number four implies a combination of two and three, neither of which happens. Your alternative number five is another example of what I claim is NOT done. You have not presented anything that truly differs from my contention that ZERO consideration is given to relative band strength in assignments or what I posit as the lone alternative - that MFA INTENTIONALLY stacks strong bands together. Your last statement about randomness is mostly correct on the surface. However, I believe the draw IS as random as claimed. MFA doesn't contend that the draw in it's entirety is random, only that it is random within certain parameters. - The previous year's champion and class champions can choose their exact performance slot (no randomness). - Nearby bands may request a Thursday evening performance time to minimize missed school creating the stacked Thursday night block full of local to Indy bands (random order within this block except a previous year champion selection). - Bands from greater than 300 miles away may request a Friday performance slot in order to minimize missed school with the caveat that this will mean they are assigned to the first block on Friday, creating the situation where we often see a large chunk of finalist bands on Friday morning, especially when there is a large Texas contingent (random order within this block). - All other bands are randomly placed (except for attempting to assure distribution by class between the panels) into the remaining performance slots. - Late registrations are typically added at the beginning of the day Thursday.
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 28, 2022 16:56:16 GMT -6
My issue with Saturday is it is getting long. Alter was 37th. Not too bad. They have made top 30 before I believe. I think BOA should just cap it at 30 and have no top 22 bottom 8 stuff. Top 30 random draw from 8:00am ish to 4:15 period. Judges will work the rest out.
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Post by jeremiah on Nov 28, 2022 17:02:33 GMT -6
The schedule is set with the goal of (roughly) balancing the NUMBER of bands from each class across the panels. ZERO consideration is given to relative band strength in assignments across panels. That's why there are sometimes years that there are four or five AA bands advancing from one panel among the Top 30 and one or both AA semifinalists from the other panel having advanced on class placement only. To the other point about Alter's Class A win (and music caption, specifically) - this had nothing to do with Panel 1 vs Panel 2. All 34 semifinalists were scored by a single set of adjudicators AND the Class A bands were four consecutive performances on Saturday morning so Alter went head-to-head with the "Kentucky Three" in more ways than one. I know too many directors and talented people around the activity who would vehemently disagree with you to believe the bolded section. hmm, for super regionals, since going to a two panel prelims, MFA has been explicit about balancing an even number of the last three years of finalists between the two panels. Since that revision was made in advanced of the 2018 season, they have not revised the Grand Nationals section to include any sort of similar statement, but it's pretty clear that they similarly make an effort to balance past finalists and perhaps even semifinalists between the two panels.
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Post by paddy on Nov 28, 2022 18:33:24 GMT -6
I know too many directors and talented people around the activity who would vehemently disagree with you to believe the bolded section. hmm, for super regionals, since going to a two panel prelims, MFA has been explicit about balancing an even number of the last three years of finalists between the two panels. Since that revision was made in advanced of the 2018 season, they have not revised the Grand Nationals section to include any sort of similar statement, but it's pretty clear that they similarly make an effort to balance past finalists and perhaps even semifinalists between the two panels. Maybe someone will listen to you…
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 29, 2022 7:41:05 GMT -6
I know too many directors and talented people around the activity who would vehemently disagree with you to believe the bolded section. hmm, for super regionals, since going to a two panel prelims, MFA has been explicit about balancing an even number of the last three years of finalists between the two panels. Since that revision was made in advanced of the 2018 season, they have not revised the Grand Nationals section to include any sort of similar statement, but it's pretty clear that they similarly make an effort to balance past finalists and perhaps even semifinalists between the two panels. Balanced panels are needed at SRs because the prelims results determine who advances to finals. GN, not so much because prelims is about advancing to semifinals, although one could argue in this case that they SHOULD balance the A and AA groups. Little effort is needed to "balance" the GN panels because of the Thursday night locals/Friday morning distant bands already mostly doing it for them. And they still obviously DON'T do anything like that vis a vis the strength of A and AA bands by panel.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 29, 2022 7:41:25 GMT -6
hmm, for super regionals, since going to a two panel prelims, MFA has been explicit about balancing an even number of the last three years of finalists between the two panels. Since that revision was made in advanced of the 2018 season, they have not revised the Grand Nationals section to include any sort of similar statement, but it's pretty clear that they similarly make an effort to balance past finalists and perhaps even semifinalists between the two panels. Maybe someone will listen to you… MFA?
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 29, 2022 18:56:37 GMT -6
How are panels decided? I know there's some amount of balancing, but is it set in stone before the season starts or is there any type of weight that considers previous performances in the season? It seems to me that it would make the most sense to balance after Super Regionals, but I can also see how with travel times and returning class champions it could be a complete logistical nightmare. I didn't get to watch Marian, but from what I've heard, Alter's music win was indisputable regardless of panel. The schedule is set with the goal of (roughly) balancing the NUMBER of bands from each class across the panels. ZERO consideration is given to relative band strength in assignments across panels. That's why there are sometimes years that there are four or five AA bands advancing from one panel among the Top 30 and one or both AA semifinalists from the other panel having advanced on class placement only. To the other point about Alter's Class A win (and music caption, specifically) - this had nothing to do with Panel 1 vs Panel 2. All 34 semifinalists were scored by a single set of adjudicators AND the Class A bands were four consecutive performances on Saturday morning so Alter went head-to-head with the "Kentucky Three" in more ways than one. Hahaha I was in one of those bands that advanced because of panel. I’m definitely not the only person to think there should be at least a little more balancing put into it! It’s super cool to advance, but even now all these years later I sort of feel bad for the bands that would have had a fighting chance to beat us for that spot if they hadn’t have been in the tougher panel (everyone who hasn’t looked at the AA prelims panel spread from 2018 should). Maybe they can hire one of us spreadsheet nerds to create brackets 😂
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