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Post by oldschooldrummer on Oct 10, 2023 19:55:46 GMT -6
The 8th place ME score? Eh, it happens. If the head judge confirmed that score then that is that judge’s opinion. No one was crying on the boards when a judge gave a 10th place VGE score to a state champion at state finals. ISSMA didn’t apologize for that traveshamockery. Save us the sanctimony. If issma sent an apology something was wrong. They don’t just do that and fire their judge. Giving homestead only 1 point above Ben Davis was robbery in itself, but something must have happened for ISSMA to even care. I’ll just say that I haven’t heard that an apology was sent. Curious as to the source.
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Post by paddy on Oct 10, 2023 19:57:56 GMT -6
The 8th place ME score? Eh, it happens. If the head judge confirmed that score then that is that judge’s opinion. No one was crying on the boards when a judge gave a 10th place VGE score to a state champion at state finals. ISSMA didn’t apologize for that traveshamockery. Save us the sanctimony. If issma sent an apology something was very wrong. They don’t just do that and fire their judge. Giving homestead only 1 point above Ben Davis was robbery in itself, but something must have happened for ISSMA to even care. Chances are the apology/firing story is stretching the truth. The same story circulated when Greenwood missed state in 2016.
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Post by paddy on Oct 10, 2023 20:03:27 GMT -6
I don't believe anyone is crying. They are stating a fact of something that happened post-Saturday night. I have a niece who marches for Homestead, a nephew who marches for Carroll, I marched for Carmel years ago and I am friends with a director in the South. It breaks my heart that a problematic "meteorologist" would inject personal biases into his scores. These kids work far too hard for this. ISSMA wants to make it right but what can they do after the fact? What’s the “personal bias”? What is the proof that this is real? What is the proof ISSMA wants to make it right? And yes people are crying. You don’t trot to a message board and make accusations like this and not have it come off as petty unless you provide proof.
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Post by oldschooldrummer on Oct 10, 2023 20:06:22 GMT -6
I can tell you that the judge was fired for bias. He tampered down homesteads score more than even remotely necessary putting them even below noblesville and Penn who were in the end wayyy below them in score. The apology I don’t know to much about, but I know issma got rid of him. I’m curious as to what your knowledge is of the judge actually being fired. Also, Noblesville was only 1 point behind Homestead and Penn was only 2 points.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Oct 10, 2023 20:08:52 GMT -6
Just my 2 cents but some info is better to just be kept to yourself / within your band program. You don’t need to share everything on here.
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Post by oldschooldrummer on Oct 10, 2023 20:13:01 GMT -6
I’m curious as to what your knowledge is of the judge actually being fired. Also, Noblesville was only 1 point behind Homestead and Penn was only 2 points. Y’all this is getting out of hand… let’s just agree that some people know something was off and some don’t. It’s not that deep the judge won’t be there anymore let it go. There’s still semi-state, no need to go back and forth like this over something so stupid that can’t be changed regardless Then why even bring it up on a public forum if it’s not a big deal and doesn’t need discussed.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Oct 10, 2023 20:23:55 GMT -6
What’s the “personal bias”? What is the proof that this is real? What is the proof ISSMA wants to make it right? And yes people are crying. You don’t trot to a message board and make accusations like this and not have it come off as petty unless you provide proof. Interesting how everyone else gave homestead reasonable scores except fords. 8th really? And ISSMA did make a public announcement that they fired him, just can’t remember where I saw it. I think you may want to be careful what you post on here. It’s very easy to tell what program you are associated with and most major programs don’t want / allow parents to post on here due to the fact that it only takes a few post to negatively impact a program’s reputation. Be mindful of what you are posting and sharing.
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Post by james50 on Oct 10, 2023 20:36:08 GMT -6
Interesting how everyone else gave homestead reasonable scores except fords. 8th really? And ISSMA did make a public announcement that they fired him, just can’t remember where I saw it. I think you may want to be careful what you post on here. It’s very easy to tell what program you are associated with and most major programs don’t want / allow parents to post on here due to the fact that it only takes a few post to negatively impact a program’s reputation. Be mindful of what you are posting and sharing. Makes sense. I also would hope that nothing shared on here would hurt a program itself. It's an anonymous message board and it would be quite easy for anyone to come on, act as though they belong to a particular band, whine and complain and in general try to make that program look bad. I strongly suspect that's what is again happening here. So, while there may be truth to the original story, the chatter about it is most likely again not coming from anyone with the program noted.
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Post by baritoner on Oct 10, 2023 21:24:35 GMT -6
Whoah, judging is pretty rough this year 😬😬 I haven't seen the panel for anything except Class A at Center Grove, but THAT panel would be 6/7 of a powerhouse panel for a BOA Super Regional Finals or Grand Nationals Semifinals. Maybe the issue isn't with judging itself, but rather with the rubric defined by ISSMA. I would say that I like ISSMAs weight system more as music becomes a bigger factor and GE dosent drove the whole score. With that being said,I wish that they would refine the way the system works and be as structured as BOA but keep the same weight system with music as 40% and visual as 20%
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 11, 2023 5:04:54 GMT -6
I haven't seen the panel for anything except Class A at Center Grove, but THAT panel would be 6/7 of a powerhouse panel for a BOA Super Regional Finals or Grand Nationals Semifinals. Maybe the issue isn't with judging itself, but rather with the rubric defined by ISSMA. I would say that I like ISSMAs weight system more as music becomes a bigger factor and GE dosent drove the whole score. With that being said,I wish that they would refine the way the system works and be as structured as BOA but keep the same weight system with music as 40% and visual as 20% I agree with the sentiment about ISSMA's weighting being more indicative of what the students achieve (performance captions) than what is created by adults (GE captions). The possible issue with the rubric isn't in the percentage assigned to each caption but with the definition of WHAT constitutes a higher/lower score (the rubric).
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 11, 2023 6:39:35 GMT -6
If issma sent an apology something was very wrong. They don’t just do that and fire their judge. Giving homestead only 1 point above Ben Davis was robbery in itself, but something must have happened for ISSMA to even care. Chances are the apology/firing story is stretching the truth. The same story circulated when Greenwood missed state in 2016. I don't believe any of that for one second. First of all, "fired?" Judges aren't ISSMA employees. How could ISSMA "fire" a judge. At best they simply don't contract that judge in the future. Or am I wrong on this? In any event, I see a less than 1% chance any judge was fired or issued an apology over a score here. In the end, does it really matter? The school in question moved on so it's just spilled mik under the bridge.
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Post by james50 on Oct 11, 2023 6:52:15 GMT -6
Chances are the apology/firing story is stretching the truth. The same story circulated when Greenwood missed state in 2016. I don't believe any of that for one second. First of all, "fired?" Judges aren't ISSMA employees. How could ISSMA "fire" a judge. At best they simply don't contract that judge in the future. Or am I wrong on this? In any event, I see a less than 1% chance any judge was fired or issued an apology over a score here. In the end, does it really matter? The school in question moved on so it's just spilled mik under the bridge. It's time to drop this please, despite elements of truth. It's important to note, nobody with the actual band is complaining - certainly not on a public forum. With relatives in two different bands, I've been made aware of the fact that someone outside of the band(s) is trying to create internet drama. Don't dump fuel on that please.
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Post by paddy on Oct 11, 2023 6:58:25 GMT -6
There is no need to pile on. A faction of Homestead supporters did a fine job making themselves look foolish and petty this last summer all on their own.
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Post by james50 on Oct 11, 2023 7:22:02 GMT -6
There is no need to pile on. A faction of Homestead supporters did a fine job making themselves look foolish and petty this last summer all on their own. With all due respect, you are the one now piling on and you are also uninformed. Some parents (seemingly three parents of 2023 Homestead graduates, strangely) raised concerns over the experience of the new hire. By all accounts, most everyone else was and is wholly supportive and very happy - and were also rather pleased those parents would only have a tertiary interest in the program going forward. The main internet warrior posting at that time intentionally tried to make their supporters look bad. This person is not associated with the band. I have a fringe association and I'm growing tired of people being baited into making negative comments about this program. Your comment is not kind.
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Post by Allohak on Oct 11, 2023 7:49:07 GMT -6
Locking this temporarily so the heat can cool
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Post by thewho on Oct 11, 2023 7:56:45 GMT -6
I'll also add as a final word that ISSMA judging has ALWAYS been screwed at the regionals and semi-state levels.
Sure, a band "may" have gotten slighted by a judge. A band that had a sure shot at state finals based on results this season was unfairly knocked out.
Life goes on. Sack it up and start focusing on the next week.
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Post by jeremiah on Oct 12, 2023 11:48:36 GMT -6
recaps for all classes of regionals are now posted
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Post by james50 on Oct 12, 2023 20:43:04 GMT -6
recaps for all classes of regionals are now posted Sorry to be dense. Where can I find these? Thank you.
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Post by clariphone on Oct 12, 2023 22:07:32 GMT -6
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