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Post by mtnxdrew on Oct 13, 2024 7:22:19 GMT -6
Checked out the Indiana thread and didnât see scores. Did they end up finishing ahead of Fishers (or within a point at least)? Less than a point between the two, and Homestead nearly 4 points ahead of Carroll. Wow, congrats to them! That should bode well for the Indy SR and GN |
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Post by regimember on Oct 13, 2024 12:01:37 GMT -6
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Post by indyguy8362 on Oct 13, 2024 14:49:01 GMT -6
Especially if Tarpon Springs and Wando decides to come. We I'm have another 2021. Bands who are automatically in + Bands who has a possibility of making finals: 1. American Fork 2. Avon 3. Bridgeland 4. Broken Arrow 5. Brownsburg 6. Carmel 7. Castle 8. Cedar Park 9. Dobyns-Bennett 10. Fishers 11. Friendswood 12. Jenks 13. Leander 14. O'Fallon Township 15. Prosper 16. Rosemount -- Tarpon Springs 18. Union -- Wando 20. William Mason Donât count out homestead quite yet, imo they havenât fallen too far past fishers and brownsburg. iâd put them with castle still. Im not going to victory lap yet, but iâd like to collect my flowers |
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 13, 2024 15:04:41 GMT -6
Donât count out homestead quite yet, imo they havenât fallen too far past fishers and brownsburg. iâd put them with castle still. Im not going to victory lap yet, but iâd like to collect my flowers Homestead's problem at Grand Nationals is that they're in that ridiculously brutal Panel 2. They are staring at a Next 8. |
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Post by principalagent on Oct 13, 2024 15:09:31 GMT -6
Im not going to victory lap yet, but iâd like to collect my flowers Homestead's problem at Grand Nationals is that they're in that ridiculously brutal Panel 2. They are staring at a Next 8. Ever consistent, my friend! |
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 13, 2024 15:13:53 GMT -6
Homestead's problem at Grand Nationals is that they're in that ridiculously brutal Panel 2. They are staring at a Next 8. Ever consistent, my friend! Ha ha. I'm not even really doing that. I'm past that fretting stage. I'm more of an interested observer these days. But yeah that panel is stacked. I feel as if we'll have a better idea after the Indy Super next weekend. |
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Post by ccbop on Oct 13, 2024 16:42:49 GMT -6
For those who are knowledgeable in MSBA scoring compared to BOA. Throughout the season MSBA has been scoring consistently lower than a BOA show at the same time. Now itâs getting later in the season how much do you think these scores vary still?
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Post by Allohak on Oct 13, 2024 18:08:57 GMT -6
For those who are knowledgeable in MSBA scoring compared to BOA. Throughout the season MSBA has been scoring consistently lower than a BOA show at the same time. Now itâs getting later in the season how much do you think these scores vary still? the relationship between BOA scores and MSBA scores is not linear but rather look at the gaps at MSBA and imagine them widening by quite a lot to translate to theoretical BOA gaps. Account for a bigger difference between 1st and 2nd relative than between 6th and 7th relative. Example: Oct 5 Springboro competition Mason beat Lakota West by 3 MSBA points. That's closer to 8 BOA points. The same show, Miamisburg beat Vandalia-Butler by 6 MSBA points. I'd equate that to roughly 10 BOA points. It isn't stated outright anywhere, but MSBA also tries to stay away from giving big scores out before championships in November, so if you're scoring a 77-80 at a MSBA show in early Oct, you're doing very very well even if other circuits are handing out mid-high 80s the same weekend. |
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Post by bandfan92 on Oct 13, 2024 18:54:37 GMT -6
For those who are knowledgeable in MSBA scoring compared to BOA. Throughout the season MSBA has been scoring consistently lower than a BOA show at the same time. Now itâs getting later in the season how much do you think these scores vary still? the relationship between BOA scores and MSBA scores is not linear but rather look at the gaps at MSBA and imagine them widening by quite a lot to translate to theoretical BOA gaps. Account for a bigger difference between 1st and 2nd relative than between 6th and 7th relative. Example: Oct 5 Springboro competition Mason beat Lakota West by 3 MSBA points. That's closer to 8 BOA points. The same show, Miamisburg beat Vandalia-Butler by 6 MSBA points. I'd equate that to roughly 10 BOA points. It isn't stated outright anywhere, but MSBA also tries to stay away from giving big scores out before championships in November, so if you're scoring a 77-80 at a MSBA show in early Oct, you're doing very very well even if other circuits are handing out mid-high 80s the same weekend. Once upon a time MSBA was pretty consistently +10ish to BOA sheets. These days though trying to compare MSBA scores to any reality is a bit of a fruitless endeavor. The score capping has been especially bad the last couple of seasons. |
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Post by ohbandfan on Oct 13, 2024 19:45:53 GMT -6
Once upon a time MSBA was pretty consistently +10ish to BOA sheets. These days though trying to compare MSBA scores to any reality is a bit of a fruitless endeavor. The score capping has been especially bad the last couple of seasons. When I was marching, it was about 3-5 points higher than BOA. Weâd score 90-94 ish at MSBA championships and get 90 ish at GN. Now I have no hope of translating it. |
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 14, 2024 5:14:44 GMT -6
Once upon a time MSBA was pretty consistently +10ish to BOA sheets. These days though trying to compare MSBA scores to any reality is a bit of a fruitless endeavor. The score capping has been especially bad the last couple of seasons. When I was marching, it was about 3-5 points higher than BOA. Weâd score 90-94 ish at MSBA championships and get 90 ish at GN. Now I have no hope of translating it. Low 90s at MSBA Championships "back in the day" is similar to mid-70s at a mid-season invitational today. |
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Post by that1clarinet on Oct 16, 2024 12:06:01 GMT -6
Crazy that we are looking at roughly 4.5 weeks until nats
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Post by that1clarinet on Oct 16, 2024 12:39:08 GMT -6
Ill take my first ever shot at predictions (Top 30 anyways)
1. Hebron, TX
2. Avon, IN
3. Carmel, IN
4. Tarpon Springs, FL
5. Flower Mound, TX
6. Broken Arrow, OK
7. William Mason, OH
8. Marcus, TX
9. The Woodlands, TX
10. Blue Springs, MO
11. Cedar Ridge, TX
12. Vandegrift, TX
13. Jenison, MI
14. Dobyns-Bennett, TN
15. Fishers, IN
16. American Fork, UT
17. Homestead, IN
18. Brownsburg, IN
19. Round Rock, TX
20. Prosper, TX
21. OâFallon Township, IL
22. Castle, IN
23. Bentonville, AR
24. James F. Byrnes, SC
25. Pearland, TX
26. McNeil, TX
27. Southlake Carroll, TX
28. Owasso, OK
29. Cypress Woods, TX
30. Coppell, TX
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Post by hawknate14 on Oct 16, 2024 12:48:56 GMT -6
Ill take my first ever shot at predictions (Top 30 anyways) 1. Hebron, TX 2. Avon, IN 3. Carmel, IN 4. Tarpon Springs, FL 5. Flower Mound, TX 6. Broken Arrow, OK 7. William Mason, OH 8. Marcus, TX 9. The Woodlands, TX 10. Blue Springs, MO 11. Cedar Ridge, TX 12. Vandegrift, TX 13. Jenison, MI 14. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 15. Fishers, IN 16. American Fork, UT 17. Homestead, IN 18. Brownsburg, IN 19. Round Rock, TX 20. Prosper, TX 21. OâFallon Township, IL 22. Castle, IN 23. Bentonville, AR 24. James F. Byrnes, SC 25. Pearland, TX 26. McNeil, TX 27. Southlake Carroll, TX 28. Owasso, OK 29. Cypress Woods, TX 30. Coppell, TX well over half of those groups arnt going to be at grand nats, im assuming this is meant to be a national top 30 ranking prediction? and even then, there are certainly some odd predictions. |
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Post by labelF1 on Oct 16, 2024 13:58:04 GMT -6
Ill take my first ever shot at predictions (Top 30 anyways) 1. Hebron, TX 2. Avon, IN 3. Carmel, IN 4. Tarpon Springs, FL 5. Flower Mound, TX 6. Broken Arrow, OK 7. William Mason, OH 8. Marcus, TX 9. The Woodlands, TX 10. Blue Springs, MO 11. Cedar Ridge, TX 12. Vandegrift, TX 13. Jenison, MI 14. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 15. Fishers, IN 16. American Fork, UT 17. Homestead, IN 18. Brownsburg, IN 19. Round Rock, TX 20. Prosper, TX 21. OâFallon Township, IL 22. Castle, IN 23. Bentonville, AR 24. James F. Byrnes, SC 25. Pearland, TX 26. McNeil, TX 27. Southlake Carroll, TX 28. Owasso, OK 29. Cypress Woods, TX 30. Coppell, TX did you mean to put this in the top 32 rankings forum?- and these definitely are really interesting opinions lol. |
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Post by crowncrawler on Oct 16, 2024 14:21:18 GMT -6
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Post by that1clarinet on Oct 16, 2024 14:59:17 GMT -6
Updated predictions for NATIONALS (As of the Music for All GN attendance list / don't come after me, I'm probably 105% wrong)
1. Avon, IN
2. Carmel, IN
3. Broken Arrow, OK
4. Tarpon Springs, FL
5. Cedar Park, TX
6. William Mason, OH
7. Jenks, OK
8. Leander, TX
9. Dobyns-Bennett, TN
10. Fishers, IN
10(actually 11). American Fork, UT (bands 11-40 are actually 1 place lower, but I don't feel like editing the list (feel free to do so!))
11. Bridgeland, TX
12. Union, OK
13. Mustang, OK
14. Prosper, TX
15. Castle, IN
16. Brownsburg, IN
17. Homestead, IN
18. Lincoln-Way Community, IL
19. Jenison, MI
20. Friendswood, TX
21. Bartlett, TN
22. Norwin, PA
23. Lakota East, OH
24. Stoneman Douglas, FL
25. Rockford, MI
26. Catawba Ridge, SC
27. Westlake, UT
28. Lawrence Township, IN
29. Franklin, TN
30. Clover, SC
31. Center Grove, IN
32. Noblesville, IN
33. Bourbon County, KY
34. Cheney, WA
35. Walled Lake, MI
36. East Clinton, OH
37. Deer Creek, OK
38. Campbell County, KY
39. Camdenton, MO
40. Central Crossing, OH
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Post by crowncrawler on Oct 16, 2024 15:12:25 GMT -6
Unrelated but I just saw a video of Argyle for the first time, and they're really solid. Wouldn't be surprised to see them second in 2A.
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Post by that1clarinet on Oct 16, 2024 15:18:04 GMT -6
Unrelated but I just saw a video of Argyle for the first time, and they're really solid. Wouldn't be surprised to see them second in 2A. Hornrank's Instagram has Tarpon 1st, Jenison 2nd, Kiski 3rd, and Argyle 4th. its gonna be tight for placing |
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Post by mtnxdrew on Oct 16, 2024 15:54:16 GMT -6
Unrelated but I just saw a video of Argyle for the first time, and they're really solid. Wouldn't be surprised to see them second in 2A. They should safely be in Semis, IMO. Them, Kiski and Jenison should be a fun 2-4. |
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Post by Allohak on Oct 16, 2024 16:01:24 GMT -6
Unrelated but I just saw a video of Argyle for the first time, and they're really solid. Wouldn't be surprised to see them second in 2A. They should safely be in Semis, IMO. Them, Kiski and Jenison should be a fun 2-4. Norwin is attending, not Kiski |
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Post by mtnxdrew on Oct 16, 2024 16:43:23 GMT -6
They should safely be in Semis, IMO. Them, Kiski and Jenison should be a fun 2-4. Norwin is attending, not Kiski You knew what I meant. |
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Post by mtnxdrew on Oct 16, 2024 18:53:40 GMT -6
This is how I would order the top 5 of AA as of today:
1. Tarpon Springs
2. Jenison/Argyle/Norwin
3. See above
4. See above
5. Catawba Ridge
After that, your guess is as good as mine. Still canât believe how loaded AA Panel 2 is. I feel these 5 are more than likely in by score, but I guess we will see!
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Post by tateloveslily on Oct 16, 2024 20:11:55 GMT -6
Updated predictions for NATIONALS (As of the Music for All GN attendance list / don't come after me, I'm probably 105% wrong) 1. Avon, IN 2. Carmel, IN 3. Broken Arrow, OK 4. Tarpon Springs, FL 5. Cedar Park, TX 6. William Mason, OH 7. Jenks, OK 8. Leander, TX 9. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 10. American Fork, UT 11. Bridgeland, TX 12. Union, OK 13. Mustang, OK 14. Prosper, TX 15. Castle, IN 16. Brownsburg, IN 17. Homestead, IN 18. Lincoln-Way Community, IL 19. Jenison, MI 20. Friendswood, TX 21. Bartlett, TN 22. Norwin, PA 23. Lakota East, OH 24. Stoneman Douglas, FL 25. Rockford, MI 26. Catawba Ridge, SC 27. Westlake, UT 28. Lawrence Township, IN 29. Franklin, TN 30. Clover, SC 31. Center Grove, IN 32. Noblesville, IN 33. Bourbon County, KY 34. Cheney, WA 35. Walled Lake, MI 36. East Clinton, OH 37. Deer Creek, OK 38. Campbell County, KY 39. Camdenton, MO 40. Central Crossing, OH You forgot Fishers |
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Post by Omega on Oct 16, 2024 23:01:59 GMT -6
Unrelated but I just saw a video of Argyle for the first time, and they're really solid. Wouldn't be surprised to see them second in 2A. That would be a nice feat to culminate their season. Excited to see how they'll do on their first trip to GN. Argyle is really, really good year-in and year-out. This year they're getting a lot more recognition because of their GN debut. They remind me a lot of Marcus-of-old with how dominant Argyle was during their 4A reign. |
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 17, 2024 11:24:57 GMT -6
I'm fully expecting an angry mob after this.1. Avon, IN2. Carmel, IN3. Broken Arrow, OK4. Tri-Valley, IL5. Cedar Park, TX6. William Mason, OH7. Jenks, OK8. Leander, TX9. Castle, IN 10. Fishers, IN11. Bridgeland, TX12. Jenison, MI13. Mustang, OK14. Prosper, TX15. Dobyns-Bennett, TN16. Brownsburg, IN17. Homestead, IN18. Lincoln-Way Community, IL19. Coppell, TX20. Friendswood, TX21. Bartlett, TN22. Norwin, PA23. Lakota East, OH24. Stoneman Douglas, FL25. Rockford, MI26. Catawba Ridge, SC27. Westlake, UT28. Lawrence Township, IN29. Franklin, TN30. Huron Valley Marching Band, MI 31. Center Grove, IN32. Noblesville, IN33. Bourbon County, KY34. Cheney, WA35. Walled Lake, MI36. East Clinton, OH37. Deer Creek, OK38. Campbell County, KY39. Camdenton, MO40. Tarpon Springs, FL I fully know Iâm taking the bait and shouldnât, but what in the hell is that 40th place about? đđđ |
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 17, 2024 11:35:34 GMT -6
I'm fully expecting an angry mob after this.1. Avon, IN2. Carmel, IN3. Broken Arrow, OK4. Tri-Valley, IL5. Cedar Park, TX6. William Mason, OH7. Jenks, OK8. Leander, TX9. Castle, IN 10. Fishers, IN11. Bridgeland, TX12. Jenison, MI13. Mustang, OK14. Prosper, TX15. Dobyns-Bennett, TN16. Brownsburg, IN17. Homestead, IN18. Lincoln-Way Community, IL19. Coppell, TX20. Friendswood, TX21. Bartlett, TN22. Norwin, PA23. Lakota East, OH24. Stoneman Douglas, FL25. Rockford, MI26. Catawba Ridge, SC27. Westlake, UT28. Lawrence Township, IN29. Franklin, TN30. Huron Valley Marching Band, MI 31. Center Grove, IN32. Noblesville, IN33. Bourbon County, KY34. Cheney, WA35. Walled Lake, MI36. East Clinton, OH37. Deer Creek, OK38. Campbell County, KY39. Camdenton, MO40. Tarpon Springs, FL I fully know Iâm taking the bait and shouldnât, but what in the hell is that 40th place about? đđđ Or...if you're going to have Tri Valley in 4th, why not just have them winning? Think big. |
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 17, 2024 11:37:06 GMT -6
I fully know Iâm taking the bait and shouldnât, but what in the hell is that 40th place about? đđđ Or...if you're going to have Tri Valley in 4th, why not just have them winning? Think big. I was so gobsmacked by seeing Tarpon in 40th that I didnât even notice who was in 4th. đ Maybe a copy/paste mistake, because at least the rest of the predictions could be legitimately debated (except for Coppell, because they arenât going). |
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Post by dbalash on Oct 17, 2024 11:53:58 GMT -6
I'm fully expecting an angry mob after this.1. Avon, IN2. Carmel, IN3. Broken Arrow, OK4. Tri-Valley, IL5. Cedar Park, TX6. William Mason, OH7. Jenks, OK8. Leander, TX9. Castle, IN 10. Fishers, IN11. Bridgeland, TX12. Jenison, MI13. Mustang, OK14. Prosper, TX15. Dobyns-Bennett, TN16. Brownsburg, IN17. Homestead, IN18. Lincoln-Way Community, IL19. Coppell, TX20. Friendswood, TX21. Bartlett, TN22. Norwin, PA23. Lakota East, OH24. Stoneman Douglas, FL25. Rockford, MI26. Catawba Ridge, SC27. Westlake, UT28. Lawrence Township, IN29. Franklin, TN30. Huron Valley Marching Band, MI 31. Center Grove, IN32. Noblesville, IN33. Bourbon County, KY34. Cheney, WA35. Walled Lake, MI36. East Clinton, OH37. Deer Creek, OK38. Campbell County, KY39. Camdenton, MO40. Tarpon Springs, FL Move Tri-Valley about 80 spots lower and East Clinton 40ish. |
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 17, 2024 12:00:26 GMT -6
not the response I was quite expecting, I still want that angry mob 1. Catawba Ridge, SC 2. Cedar Park, TX 3. Broken Arrow, OK 4. Tri-Valley, IL 5. Carmel, IN 6. William Mason, OH 7. Jenks, OK 8. Leander, TX 9. Castle, IN 10. Fishers, IN 11. Bridgeland, TX 12. Jenison, MI 13. Mustang, OK 14. Prosper, TX 15. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 16. Brownsburg, IN 17. Homestead, IN 18. Lincoln-Way Community, IL 19. Coppell, TX 20. Friendswood, TX 21. Avon, IN 22. Norwin, PA 23. Lakota East, OH 24. Stoneman Douglas, FL 25. Rockford, MI 26. Bartlett, TN 27. Westlake, UT 28. Lawrence Township, IN 29. Franklin, TN 30. Huron Valley Marching Band, MI 31. Tarpon Springs, FL 32. Noblesville, IN 33. Bourbon County, KY 34. Cheney, WA 35. Walled Lake, MI 36. East Clinton, OH 37. Deer Creek, OK 38. Campbell County, KY 39. Camdenton, MO 40. Center Grove, IN  |
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