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Post by surenlord on Oct 27, 2019 11:10:53 GMT -6
Give some predictions for the SCBDA 5a state comp
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 27, 2019 11:13:03 GMT -6
Some of the numbers management is the absolute worst I’ve ever seen. One judge in Class A had 9 sub-caption ties, and another judge in Class AAAA had 6 sub-caption ties, among others. Let’s not even start with AAA... Why can KMEA never seem to get this right? More and more bands are deciding to compete in different circuits, like MSBA and more BOA, because of it. It’s just horrible. Laughable. Meh, I've seen BOA give the same band the same score at two events eight weeks apart, even though the band had clearly improved a lot. And before anybody says "You can't compare numbers between shows": either the numbers mean something or they don't -- and per the sheets, they do mean something. The same number at a different competition eight weeks apart is one thing. That’s not at all what I’m talking about and you misunderstand my point entirely. There are 16 bands in each class in Semi-Finals at KMEA. There is absolutely no way, for example, that 5 bands in Class A are EXACTLY the same in the MPE Tech subcaption. You mean to tell me that 5 bands achieved their music at EXACTLY the same level? No way. I don’t buy it. And I never will. But, that’s what the judge decided. I’m not making it up. It’s on the recap. And there are several other instances like this. There is absolutely no excuse to have that many ties in the same show under the same subcaption with not many groups. That’s either lazy judging, poor numbers management, or both. To avoid any confusion or confrontation, I am not a student, I am not a teacher, and I don’t have many connections in Kentucky. So I have no reason to be “butthurt” or upset about anything personally, but it’s just the principle of the matter. Also, I got a text earlier from a friend of mine who judged 4A semis, and he said that they were VERY clear in the meetings before the shows to avoid ties in subcaptions. Yet more than a dozen judges failed to do so.
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Post by scbandfan on Oct 27, 2019 11:17:50 GMT -6
Anyone have results from SC 1A-4A Championships yesterday?
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 27, 2019 11:29:01 GMT -6
Meh, I've seen BOA give the same band the same score at two events eight weeks apart, even though the band had clearly improved a lot. And before anybody says "You can't compare numbers between shows": either the numbers mean something or they don't -- and per the sheets, they do mean something. To avoid any confusion or confrontation, I am not a student, I am not a teacher, and I don’t have many connections in Kentucky. So I have no reason to be “butthurt” or upset about anything personally, but it’s just the principle of the matter. No confrontation intended. I agree with you that what you describe is poor numbers management. But I imagine KMEA is in this bind: they can't punish the judges who do that, because they can't afford to recruit and train lots of new judges. On the other hand, BOA can't afford to run the 50+ contests needed in every state.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 27, 2019 11:31:49 GMT -6
Anyone have results from SC 1A-4A Championships yesterday? I know nation ford won 4A (duh) and Catawba was 4th in 2A.... beyond that that no
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Post by es203 on Oct 27, 2019 12:53:38 GMT -6
Anyone have results from SC 1A-4A Championships yesterday? Nation Ford won 4A, DW Daniel won 3A, and Pendleton won 2A. That’s about all that I remember for now.
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Post by palmettomello on Oct 27, 2019 13:14:03 GMT -6
Anyone have results from SC 1A-4A Championships yesterday? Ninety-Six HS won 1A for the 5th consecutive year.
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Post by secret on Oct 27, 2019 13:18:59 GMT -6
VMBC South County Invitational (Lorton, VA; 10/26/19)
GROUP 1 86.78 - Heritage (Mus, CG) 85.83 - Potomac (Vis, GE, Perc) 83.58 - Stuarts Draft
GROUP 2 88.28 - Independence (Vis) 88.18 - Mt. Vernon (GE, Perc, CG) 87.35 - Justice (Mus) 86.45 - Annandale 86.23 - Hayfield
GROUP 4 90.50 - West Springfield (Mus, Vis, GE, Perc, CG) 88.65 - Millbrook GROUP 5 93.58 - Westfield (Mus, Vis, GE, Perc)) 92.00 - Chantilly (CG)
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Post by wildcat77 on Oct 27, 2019 15:21:40 GMT -6
Some of the numbers management is the absolute worst I’ve ever seen. One judge in Class A had 9 sub-caption ties, and another judge in Class AAAA had 6 sub-caption ties, among others. Let’s not even start with AAA... Why can KMEA never seem to get this right? More and more bands are deciding to compete in different circuits, like MSBA and more BOA, because of it. It’s just horrible. Laughable. What results are you describing, because the ones I posted don't look anything like what you're describing?
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 27, 2019 15:27:45 GMT -6
Some of the numbers management is the absolute worst I’ve ever seen. One judge in Class A had 9 sub-caption ties, and another judge in Class AAAA had 6 sub-caption ties, among others. Let’s not even start with AAA... Why can KMEA never seem to get this right? More and more bands are deciding to compete in different circuits, like MSBA and more BOA, because of it. It’s just horrible. Laughable. What results are you describing, because the ones I posted don't look anything like what you're describing? Sorry, I was referring to semi-finals scores. I had barely woken up when I responded and jumped to thinking they included semi-finals.
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Oct 27, 2019 22:14:30 GMT -6
NYSFBC – 10/27/19 State Championships @ Carrier Dome Syracuse, NY
National Class 1. 96.050 Arlington 2. 94.550 Liverpool 3. 93.800 Baldwinsville 4. 93.250 Cicero-North Syracuse 5. 91.800 West Genesee 6. 89.600 Victor 7. 89.500 Brentwood 8. 88.850 Jamestown 9. 88.050 Lancaster
Small School 1 1. 91.600 Medina 2. 88.700 East Syracuse-Minoa 3. 87.200 New Hartford 4. 87.000 Central Square 5. 85.400 Mohonasen 6. 85.200 Malverne 7. 83.900 East Irondequoit 8. 83.200 Oswego
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 27, 2019 23:37:29 GMT -6
Drove for some eight hours today on very little sleep so that I could attend the Athens and Dublin Jerome competitions. Worth it. But too tired to say more now. [...] I thought the judges at both Athens and Jerome were too tough, and that five more bands should have qualified. (And at this rate, there are going to be shockingly few Class C bands at state finals. Edit: More C bands have qualified than I realized: 8 so far, including one band who has never before qualified. The average over the past five years is 15 and there is one more weekend for them to do so.) I also disagreed with the Jerome judges about Class AA order (only the top three were announced, so I put the others in alphabetical order) -- other than Pickerington, the clear winner. That said, I have something of an allergic reaction to the kind of show Kilbourne presented, which may be coloring my judgement. In the end, at least 131 bands qualified for state finals (that's how many are on the schedule for the next two weekends, but I know of at least three bands that qualified who won't be attending because they mostly participate in BOA and/or MSBA), which is six more than last year but two less than the year before that. And 16 of them are Class C bands. So there were something like 25 qualifications on the final weekend, even in the rain. I'm disappointed that three smaller bands I saw who I thought would qualify didn't make it this year: Wellington, Buckeye, and Meigs. But the most notable absence is Marietta. It's their first year not qualifying since 1986 and only their third miss ever.
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Post by bandmama15 on Oct 28, 2019 8:49:56 GMT -6
Give some predictions for the SCBDA 5a state comp Byrnes has a very entertaining show, but unless something absolutely crazy happens Wando will take it.
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Post by bandmama15 on Oct 28, 2019 8:53:16 GMT -6
Give some predictions for the SCBDA 5a state comp Here's my guess... 1. Wando 2. Byrnes 3. Summerville 4. River Bluff and the rest is up for grabs!
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Post by synthpatch14 on Oct 29, 2019 17:24:14 GMT -6
VMBC State Championships this weekend:
GROUP 3 - PRELIMS 9:15 am - Millbrook HS 9:30 am - Ocean Lakes HS 9:45 am - James River HS 10:00 am - Powhatan HS 10:15 am - Colonial Heights HS 10:45 am - Bassett HS 11:00 am - Lord Botetourt HS 11:15 am - Franklin County HS 11:30 am - James Wood HS 11:45 am - William Byrd HS
GROUP 4 - PRELIMS 1:00 pm - Thomas Jefferson HSST 1:15 pm - Fairfax HS 1:30 pm - South Lakes HS 1:45 pm - Salem HS 2:00 pm - Harrisonburg HS 2;15 pm - Briar Woods HS 2:30 pm - Jefferson Forest HS
GROUP 5 - PRELIMS 3;00 pm - Freedom HS 3:15 pm - Westfield HS 3:30 pm - John Champe HS 3:45 pm - Chantilly HS 4:00 pm - James Madison HS
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 30, 2019 23:28:01 GMT -6
[...] I thought the judges at both Athens and Jerome were too tough, and that five more bands should have qualified. (And at this rate, there are going to be shockingly few Class C bands at state finals. Edit: More C bands have qualified than I realized: 8 so far, including one band who has never before qualified. The average over the past five years is 15 and there is one more weekend for them to do so.) In the end, at least 131 bands qualified for state finals (that's how many are on the schedule for the next two weekends, but I know of at least three bands that qualified who won't be attending because they mostly participate in BOA and/or MSBA), which is six more than last year but two less than the year before that. And 16 of them are Class C bands. So there were something like 25 qualifications on the final weekend, even in the rain. I'm disappointed that three smaller bands I saw who I thought would qualify didn't make it this year: Wellington, Buckeye, and Meigs. But the most notable absence is Marietta. It's their first year not qualifying since 1986 and only their third miss ever. Per my final count, it appears that 220 Ohio bands competed this year, of which 185 appeared in OMEA, 60 in MSBA, and 46 in BOA -- obviously with some overlap.
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Post by guardbehr1 on Oct 31, 2019 7:47:41 GMT -6
VMBC State Championships this weekend: GROUP 3 - PRELIMS 9:15 am - Millbrook HS 9:30 am - Ocean Lakes HS 9:45 am - James River HS 10:00 am - Powhatan HS 10:15 am - Colonial Heights HS 10:45 am - Bassett HS 11:00 am - Lord Botetourt HS 11:15 am - Franklin County HS 11:30 am - James Wood HS 11:45 am - William Byrd HS GROUP 4 - PRELIMS 1:00 pm - Thomas Jefferson HSST 1:15 pm - Fairfax HS 1:30 pm - South Lakes HS 1:45 pm - Salem HS 2:00 pm - Harrisonburg HS 2;15 pm - Briar Woods HS 2:30 pm - Jefferson Forest HS GROUP 5 - PRELIMS 3;00 pm - Freedom HS 3:15 pm - Westfield HS 3:30 pm - John Champe HS 3:45 pm - Chantilly HS 4:00 pm - James Madison HS I think Bassett will take Group 3, Thomas Jefferson Group 4, and James Madison group 5. Any predictions on finals/Commonwealth cup?
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Post by Allohak on Oct 31, 2019 10:26:52 GMT -6
Colorado 4A and 5A championships scheduled for Monday and Tuesday have been canceled due to cold weather. CBA marching committee voted yesterday to use 2019 regional scores/rankings to name 4A and 5A results final. Fossil Ridge wins 5A Loveland wins 4A 1A, 2A, and 3A finals are scheduled for early next week
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Post by caesarsalads on Oct 31, 2019 12:19:59 GMT -6
Oklahoma Bandmasters Association Class 6A State Championships Saturday, November 2, 2019 @ Owasso HS Prelims 6AI and 6AII. Finals combined top 12. 10:15 Shawnee (6AII) 10:30 Bartlesville (6AII) 10:45 Owasso (6AI) 11:00 Putnam City North (6AI) 11:15 Putnam City West (6AII) 11:30 Moore (6AI) 11:45 Mustang (6AI) 12:00 Southmoore (6AI) 12:15 BREAK 1:00 Union (6AI) 1:15 Edmond Santa Fe (6AI) 1:30 Westmoore (6AI) 1:45 Broken Arrow (6AI) 2:00 Yukon (6AI) 2:15 Bixby (6AII) 2:30 BREAK 2:45 Edmond Memorial (6AI) 3:00 Sapulpa (6AII) 3:15 Stillwater (6AII) 3:30 Jenks (6AI) 3:45 Edmond North (6AI) 4:00 Choctaw (6AII) IMO, top 6 in alphabetical order will be: Bixby Broken Arrow Jenks Mustang Owasso Union Excited to think about how Mustang will do. It’s been 10 years since an OKC-area school has medaled at 6A OBA (and even then, that was when Owasso was boycotting OBA).
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Post by synthpatch14 on Oct 31, 2019 15:57:36 GMT -6
VMBC State Championships this weekend: GROUP 3 - PRELIMS 9:15 am - Millbrook HS 9:30 am - Ocean Lakes HS 9:45 am - James River HS 10:00 am - Powhatan HS 10:15 am - Colonial Heights HS 10:45 am - Bassett HS 11:00 am - Lord Botetourt HS 11:15 am - Franklin County HS 11:30 am - James Wood HS 11:45 am - William Byrd HS GROUP 4 - PRELIMS 1:00 pm - Thomas Jefferson HSST 1:15 pm - Fairfax HS 1:30 pm - South Lakes HS 1:45 pm - Salem HS 2:00 pm - Harrisonburg HS 2;15 pm - Briar Woods HS 2:30 pm - Jefferson Forest HS GROUP 5 - PRELIMS 3;00 pm - Freedom HS 3:15 pm - Westfield HS 3:30 pm - John Champe HS 3:45 pm - Chantilly HS 4:00 pm - James Madison HS I think Bassett will take Group 3, Thomas Jefferson Group 4, and James Madison group 5. Any predictions on finals/Commonwealth cup? My top 5 predictions: 1. James Madison 2. Bassett 3. Thomas Jefferson 4. John Champe 5. Westfield
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Post by macwinlin on Oct 31, 2019 21:38:31 GMT -6
Oklahoma Bandmasters Association Class 6A State Championships Saturday, November 2, 2019 @ Owasso HS Prelims 6AI and 6AII. Finals combined top 12. 10:15 Shawnee (6AII) 10:30 Bartlesville (6AII) 10:45 Owasso (6AI) 11:00 Putnam City North (6AI) 11:15 Putnam City West (6AII) 11:30 Moore (6AI) 11:45 Mustang (6AI) 12:00 Southmoore (6AI) 12:15 BREAK 1:00 Union (6AI) 1:15 Edmond Santa Fe (6AI) 1:30 Westmoore (6AI) 1:45 Broken Arrow (6AI) 2:00 Yukon (6AI) 2:15 Bixby (6AII) 2:30 BREAK 2:45 Edmond Memorial (6AI) 3:00 Sapulpa (6AII) 3:15 Stillwater (6AII) 3:30 Jenks (6AI) 3:45 Edmond North (6AI) 4:00 Choctaw (6AII) IMO, top 6 in alphabetical order will be: Bixby Broken Arrow Jenks Mustang Owasso Union Excited to think about how Mustang will do. It’s been 10 years since an OKC-area school has medaled at 6A OBA (and even then, that was when Owasso was boycotting OBA). I'm not sure Bixby OR Mustang can medal. Owasso has seen somewhat of a revival this year, and Union is making a strong push for Grand Nationals. Who knows where Jenks will be. If I were to guess, I'd say Jenks, Bixby, and Mustang will round out the top 6. I hope I'm wrong. We'll see!
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 2, 2019 13:45:16 GMT -6
Bixby’s show is great! Definitely very unique. I’m surprised they weren’t finalists at St. Louis, but being in the wrong panel can wreck the best bands. Union was wonderful too- I love that costume change! Broken Arrow steals the field once again! It’s always a pleasure to watch them perform.
Excited for OBA finals tonight! Every band I’ve seen so far is phenomenal.
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Post by palmettomello on Nov 2, 2019 16:03:37 GMT -6
South Carolina 5A Finalists (random order)
Summerville River Bluff Clover Mauldin Boiling Springs Dorman James F. Byrnes - Upperstate Champ Wando- Lowerstate Champ
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Post by brnrkm on Nov 2, 2019 16:31:17 GMT -6
OBA Prelim Results
6A-2
1st – Bixby H.S. 2nd – Choctaw H.S. 3rd – Stillwater H.S.
Outstanding Music Performance – Bixby H.S. Outstanding Visual Performance- Bixby H.S. Outstanding General Effect – Bixby H.S.
6A-1
1st – Broken Arrow H.S. 2nd – Union H.S. 3rd – Jenks H.S.
Outstanding Music Performance – Broken Arrow H.S. Outstanding Visual Performance – Broken Arrow H.S. Outstanding General Effect – Broken Arrow H.S.
Finalist Bands (random order) Edmond Memorial H.S. Jenks H.S. Stillwater H.S. Westmoore H.S. Union H.S. Southmoore H.S. Mustang H.S. Edmond North H.S. Broken Arrow H.S. Owasso H.S. Bixby H.S. Choctaw H.S.
Finals Schedule
7:00 – Choctaw H.S. 7:15 – Southmoore H.S. 7:30 – Stillwater H.S. 7:45 – Westmoore H.S. 8:00 – Edmond Memorial H.S. 8:15 – Edmond North H.S. 8:30 – Jenks H.S. 8:45 – Broken Arrow H.S. 9:00 – Bixby H.S. 9:15 – Owasso H.S. 9:30 – Mustang H.S. 9:45 – Union H.S.
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Post by Allohak on Nov 2, 2019 17:14:30 GMT -6
So what is the separation of 6A-1 and 6A-2? I feel like I've only ever seen 6A before, without a split. Is this new this season? If it's different classes, why not 6A and 7A???
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Post by WoodlandsMom4ever on Nov 2, 2019 17:20:21 GMT -6
Yea, Edmond North!!!!! No clue on the split... I was just a band mom baby when we lived in Oklahoma.
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Post by macwinlin on Nov 2, 2019 17:37:27 GMT -6
So what is the separation of 6A-1 and 6A-2? I feel like I've only ever seen 6A before, without a split. Is this new this season? If it's different classes, why not 6A and 7A??? OSSAA introduced the split in 2014. I think it had to do more with sports, but it applies to all secondary schools activities, and OBA chose to match the OSSAA format for "state championships" instead of going the BOA route. The top 32 high schools, based on average daily membership in grades 9-12, are split into 2 6A classes. www.ossaa.net/docs/2019-20/Classifications/MF_2019-20_ADMS.pdfSince the split, Bixby and Broken Arrow have won each class, respectively. Bixby could transition to 6A-1 as soon as next year. They have only been a 6A school since 2010. Broken Arrow has been the largest HS in the state for around 2 decades, if not longer. I believe Union was once larger, but I may be wrong.
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Post by palmettomello on Nov 2, 2019 19:22:13 GMT -6
SC 5A State Finals Results
1st Wando High 95.65 High GE, Visual, and Music 2nd James F Byrnes 93.85 3rd Summerville 92.9 4th Mauldin 89.95 5th Boiling Springs 6th Clover 7th River Bluff 8th Dorman
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 2, 2019 20:03:14 GMT -6
Anyone know how tall Bixby’s bridge is? Just out of curiosity.
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Post by caesarsalads on Nov 2, 2019 20:14:01 GMT -6
So what is the separation of 6A-1 and 6A-2? I feel like I've only ever seen 6A before, without a split. Is this new this season? If it's different classes, why not 6A and 7A??? OSSAA introduced the split in 2014. I think it had to do more with sports, but it applies to all secondary schools activities, and OBA chose to match the OSSAA format for "state championships" instead of going the BOA route. The top 32 high schools, based on average daily membership in grades 9-12, are split into 2 6A classes. www.ossaa.net/docs/2019-20/Classifications/MF_2019-20_ADMS.pdfSince the split, Bixby and Broken Arrow have won each class, respectively. Bixby could transition to 6A-1 as soon as next year. They have only been a 6A school since 2010. Broken Arrow has been the largest HS in the state for around 2 decades, if not longer. I believe Union was once larger, but I may be wrong. Yup! I’m not sure if it affects all sports now, but I do know the split was originally just for football because it was impossible for the smaller 6A schools like Stillwater and Sapulpa to compete with schools like Union and Jenks and the link you provided does a good job of showing why.
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