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Post by mtnxdrew on Nov 6, 2022 8:27:25 GMT -6
Ok now that all relevant results elsewhere are in, here's my final predictions: Prelims Panel 1 Top 11: 1. Broken Arrow, OK 2. William Mason, OH 3. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 4. Fishers, IN 5. Moe & Gene Johnson, TX 6. Mustang, OK 7. Rosemount, MN 8. American Fork, UT 9. Castle, IN 10. Grain Valley, MO 11. Morton, IL Panel 2 Top 11: 1. Carmel, IN 2. Avon, IN 3. Tarpon Springs, FL 4. Brownsburg, IN 5. Prosper, TX 6. James F. Byrnes, SC 7. Lincoln-Way, IL 8. Robert E. Hendrickson, TX 9. Southlake Carroll, TX 10. O'Fallon Township, IL 11. Kiski Area, PA Next 8: 1. (1-12) Centerville, OH 2. (1-13) Homestead, IN 3. (2-12) Jenison, MI 4. (2-13) Catawba Ridge, SC 5. (1-14) Lakota West, OH 6. (1-15) Cleveland, NC 7. (1-16) Lakota East, OH 8. (2-14) Center Grove, IN Class Advancers: 1-A - 1. Bourbon County, KY 1-A - 2. Archbishop Alter, OH 2-A - 1. Murray, KY 2-A - 2. Beechwood, KY Semis 1. Carmel, IN 2. Avon, IN 3. Broken Arrow, OK 4. William Mason, OH 5. Tarpon Springs, FL 6. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 7. Fishers, IN 8. Moe & Gene Johnson, TX 9. Brownsburg, IN 10. Mustang, OK 11. Prosper, TX 12. Rosemount, MN 13. American Fork, UT 14. Castle, IN 15. James F. Byrnes, SC 16. Lincoln-Way, IL 17. Robert E. Hendrickson, TX 18. Grain Valley, MO 19. Southlake Carroll, TX 20. O'Fallon Township, IL21. Morton, IL22. Centerville, OH 23. Homestead, IN 24. Kiski Area, PA 25. Lakota West, OH 26. Jenison, MI 27. Catawba Ridge, SC 28. Cleveland, NC 29. Lakota East, OH 30. Center Grove, IN *31. Bourbon County, KY *32. Murray, KY *33. Archbishop Alter, OH *34. Beechwood Finals 1. Carmel, IN - 96.825 2. Avon, IN - 96.175 3. Broken Arrow, OK - 95.600 4. William Mason, OH - 95.225 5. Tarpon Springs, FL - 94.050 6. Dobyns-Bennett, TN - 93.375 7. Fishers, IN - 91.950 8. Moe & Gene Johnson, TX - 91.675 9. Brownsburg, IN - 91.325 10. Mustang, OK - 91.150 11. Prosper, TX - 90.075 12. Rosemount, MN - 89.900 Music - Carmel, IN Visual - Avon, IN GE - Carmel, IN Rose Bowl - Fishers, IN Esprit de Corps - Morton, IL Crazy to think we’ve gotten to a point where Marian isn’t projected to even make semis
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Post by bigtrombone on Nov 6, 2022 8:59:38 GMT -6
My finals predictions 2 weeks out. Please feel free to inform me why I'm wrong 1. Avon H.S., IN (GE) 2. Carmel H.S., IN (Music (tie), Visual) 3. Broken Arrow H.S., OK (Music (tie)) 4. Tarpon Springs H.S., FL 5. William Mason H.S., OH 6. Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN 7. Moe & Gene Johnson H.S., TX 8. Fishers H.S., IN 9. O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 10. Hendrickson H.S., TX 11. Rosemount H.S., MN 12. Prosper H.S., TX ----------------------- 13. Mustang H.S., OK 14. Brownsburg H.S., IN 15. American Fork H.S., UT 16. Southlake Carroll H.S., TX 17. Castle H.S., IN 18. Lincoln-Way Community H.S., IL 19. James F. Byrnes H.S., SC 20. Kiski Area H.S., PA Predicitions amended for this week. Happy Grand Nationals Week.
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Post by Shroom on Nov 6, 2022 13:04:38 GMT -6
I'm pretty giddy over the weather right now. Usually the Midwest become a grey, biting hellscape that doesn't push above 40, but it is literally almost 70 in Indy right now and this westher is forecasted to continue for a good while. It's definitely going to give a lot bands a heavy boon during the push to Nats.
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Post by paddy on Nov 6, 2022 13:28:07 GMT -6
I'm pretty giddy over the weather right now. Usually the Midwest become a grey, biting hellscape that doesn't push above 40, but it is literally almost 70 in Indy right now and this westher is forecasted to continue for a good while. It's definitely going to give a lot bands a heavy boon during the push to Nats. Thursday and Friday will be great. Saturday the weather takes a dump with a high of 40. Hopefully that improves as the week progresses.
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Post by warehouse314 on Nov 6, 2022 13:29:54 GMT -6
I'm pretty giddy over the weather right now. Usually the Midwest become a grey, biting hellscape that doesn't push above 40, but it is literally almost 70 in Indy right now and this westher is forecasted to continue for a good while. It's definitely going to give a lot bands a heavy boon during the push to Nats. [br Yep... looks like 71 on Thursday, high 50's on Friday... but then a high of around 40 on Saturday. But doesn't look like any rain, so not too bad at all.
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Post by verysaxy on Nov 6, 2022 13:46:03 GMT -6
Crazy to think we’ve gotten to a point where Marian isn’t projected to even make semis Unfortunately we can say this for a lot of frequent fliers pre-covid. Lots of those groups that often placed in the teens and 20s throughout the last decade will only get one performance this year.
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 6, 2022 14:19:31 GMT -6
Starting to see some groupings as we head into the last week:
1. Broken Arrow, OK (V, GE) 2. Carmel, IN (M) 3. Tarpon Springs, FL 4. Avon, IN 5. William Mason, OH 6. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 7. MG Johnson, TX 8. American Fork, UT 9. Fishers, IN
Here is where I get a little unsure,
10. Prosper, TX 11. O’Fallon Twp., IL 12. Southlake Carroll, TX
13. Mustang, OK 14. Brownsburg, IN 15. Mustang, OK 16. Hendrickson, TX 17. Castle, IN 18. James F. Byrnes, SC 19. Rosemount, MN 20. Lincoln-Way Community, IL 21. Kiski, PA 22. Centerville, OH
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Post by doublegeez on Nov 6, 2022 14:27:33 GMT -6
Starting to see some groupings as we head into the last week: 1. Broken Arrow, OK (V, GE) 2. Carmel, IN (M) 3. Tarpon Springs, FL 4. Avon, IN 5. William Mason, OH 6. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 7. MG Johnson, TX 8. American Fork, UT 9. Fishers, IN Here is where I get a little unsure, 10. Prosper, TX 11. O’Fallon Twp., IL 12. Southlake Carroll, TX 13. Mustang, OK 14. Brownsburg, IN 15. Mustang, OK 16. Hendrickson, TX 17. Castle, IN 18. James F. Byrnes, SC 19. Rosemount, MN 20. Lincoln-Way Community, IL 21. Kiski, PA 22. Centerville, OH Mustang so good they get 13th and 15th
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 6, 2022 14:28:40 GMT -6
Starting to see some groupings as we head into the last week: 1. Broken Arrow, OK (V, GE) 2. Carmel, IN (M) 3. Tarpon Springs, FL 4. Avon, IN 5. William Mason, OH 6. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 7. MG Johnson, TX 8. American Fork, UT 9. Fishers, IN Here is where I get a little unsure, 10. Prosper, TX 11. O’Fallon Twp., IL 12. Southlake Carroll, TX 13. Mustang, OK 14. Brownsburg, IN 15. Mustang, OK 16. Hendrickson, TX 17. Castle, IN 18. James F. Byrnes, SC 19. Rosemount, MN 20. Lincoln-Way Community, IL 21. Kiski, PA 22. Centerville, OH Mustang so good they get 13th and 15th Oops 😬 I’m a bit tired lol
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Post by boahistorybuff on Nov 6, 2022 14:28:46 GMT -6
Crazy to think we’ve gotten to a point where Marian isn’t projected to even make semis Unfortunately we can say this for a lot of frequent fliers pre-covid. Lots of those groups that often placed in the teens and 20s throughout the last decade will only get one performance this year. Marian Catholic and Plymouth-Canton are the two long time stalwarts who have suffered the last couple years.
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Post by doublegeez on Nov 6, 2022 14:30:00 GMT -6
Mustang so good they get 13th and 15th Oops 😬 I’m a bit tired lol I get it, after the jaw dropping performances of the weekend I understand that (among many other factors lol)
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 6, 2022 14:34:40 GMT -6
Unfortunately we can say this for a lot of frequent fliers pre-covid. Lots of those groups that often placed in the teens and 20s throughout the last decade will only get one performance this year. Marian Catholic and Plymouth-Canton are the two long time stalwarts who have suffered the last couple years. I honestly think this is the year both of them do not advance. Although, PCEP did make it in 2021 and 2019 when many were counting them out (particularly last year). Both could still surprise.
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Post by verysaxy on Nov 6, 2022 14:35:42 GMT -6
Final Predictions, Post-SASR:
1. Tarpon Springs, FL 2. Avon, IN 3. Carmel, IN 4. Broken Arrow, OK 5. William Mason, OH 6. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 7. Fishers, IN 8. American Fork, UT 9. Moe & Gene Johnson, TX 10. Brownsburg, IN 11. Prosper, TX 12. Mustang, OK ———————————— 13. Rosemount, MN 14. James F. Byrnes, SC 15. Castle, IN 16. Lincoln-Way Community, IL 17. O’Fallon Township, IL 18. Robert E. Hendrickson, TX 19. Southlake Carroll, TX 20. Grain Valley, MO 21. Jenison, MI 22. Centerville, OH 23. Homestead, IN 24. Kiski Area, PA 25. Stoneman Douglas, FL 26. Lakota East, OH 27. Goshen, IN 28. Lakota West, OH 29. Catawba Ridge, SC 30. Center Grove, IN 31. Bourbon County, KY (A-1) 32. Morton, IL (AA-1) 33. Beechwood, KY (A-2) 34. Murray, KY (A-2) 35. Archbishop Alter, OH (A-1) ———————————— 36. Columbus Schools, IN 37. Lawerence Township, IN 38. Marian Catholic, IL 39. Cleveland, NC 40. North Hardin, KY
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 6, 2022 14:52:44 GMT -6
What are the chances MC takes first in 1A and performs in finals exhibition
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 6, 2022 14:55:27 GMT -6
What are the chances MC takes first in 1A and performs in finals exhibition COMPSUITE STILL SAYS “CHAMBER”, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?! I smell a stunt. I would LIVE for this kind of upset and drama. 😂
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 6, 2022 15:21:08 GMT -6
Crazy to think we’ve gotten to a point where Marian isn’t projected to even make semis Does anyone know for sure yet whether they're A or AA? Whoops, never mind. Didn't notice others had already asked.
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 6, 2022 15:38:58 GMT -6
Oops 😬 I’m a bit tired lol I get it, after the jaw dropping performances of the weekend I understand that (among many other factors lol) Right 😂
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 6, 2022 16:07:05 GMT -6
Crazy to think we’ve gotten to a point where Marian isn’t projected to even make semis Does anyone know for sure yet whether they're A or AA? Whoops, never mind. Didn't notice others had already asked. The world may never know
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Post by philodemus on Nov 6, 2022 16:16:32 GMT -6
What are the chances MC takes first in 1A and performs in finals exhibition This, as you could imagine, has been a question of great interest in the Great Commonwealth of 1A… I mean, Kentucky. The rumor I have heard from the well-connected is that they are 6 kids over the line into 2A. I would look to potentially see them in Finals exhibition in 2023. Of course, I have also heard vague rumblings of some sort of reorganization of the Grand Nationals format in 2023? So, who knows.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 6, 2022 16:29:40 GMT -6
What are the chances MC takes first in 1A and performs in finals exhibition This, as you could imagine, has been a question of great interest in the Great Commonwealth of 1A… I mean, Kentucky. The rumor I have heard from the well-connected is that they are 6 kids over the line into 2A. I would look to potentially see them in Finals exhibition in 2023. Of course, I have also heard vague rumblings of some sort of reorganization of the Grand Nationals format in 2023? So, who knows. Does “chamber” have any specific meaning? Has it been used before in the context of BOA?
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Post by vidal28rdg on Nov 6, 2022 16:50:02 GMT -6
I'm pretty giddy over the weather right now. Usually the Midwest become a grey, biting hellscape that doesn't push above 40, but it is literally almost 70 in Indy right now and this westher is forecasted to continue for a good while. It's definitely going to give a lot bands a heavy boon during the push to Nats. watching clips of different football games and I heard a broadcaster saying it was 72 in Cincinnati, I was like “wth??” I’d imagine it would’ve been a lot colder for y’all up there but it’s good to hear the weather’s being pleasant and cooperative for the bands for the most part come this weekend! Saturday is definitely gonna be cold though😬
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Post by das88 on Nov 6, 2022 17:02:21 GMT -6
1. Broken Arrow, OK (V, GE). (Have watched their state finals video a few times. Last year, for the most part, BA peaked at St. Louis. This year is different and more of how I typically respond to BA's shows. Initially, kind of not sure. Then viewing it a few more times, yeah, it's growing on me. Then by grand nationals finals 2. Carmel, IN (M) (I think the gap, as compared to last year (BA/Carmel) will be closer. Carmel's ending is pretty sweet. 3. Avon- One of my favorite Avon shows, creative, high demand. The music stays in my head. haha. One thing about Avon I love is they take risks. 4. Tarpon Springs- I'm totally open to them throwing a wrench into everyone's predictions, including mine. This is a crazy show. They sound great and their World Class guard adds so much to their show. 5. William Mason, OH- Already looking pretty clean at Indy SR. I don't see any of the remaining bands beating them. 6. Dobyns-Bennett, TN- Personally not a fan of this show, but if they super clean like last year, I can see them in 6th. I could also see them lower. 7. Fishers- I think this is the year they break though into finals. This show is growing on me. 8. MG Johnson, TX- looks like the strongest Texas band- they are solid for sure but the show just seems to be missing something-regardless I am pretty confident they will be in finals 9. Brownsburg- I have been on the Brownsburg fan bus for several years- They have improved enough to break through into finals. 10-12. Mustang, Hendrickson- the BEST drum major salute this year by far- personally I like their show and hope they make it in, Castle-I never give up on my sentimental favorite- but they have not cleaned up the drill as much as I had hoped, again super young band and transition of a new head director), not totally giving up on Southlake Carroll- I really liked their show, but they had so much to clean. Prosper- my least favorite of the Texas bands coming but probably have a good as chance as some of the others I have mentioned on the bubble.
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Post by oldtimer on Nov 6, 2022 19:15:30 GMT -6
Starting to see some groupings as we head into the last week: 1. Broken Arrow, OK (V, GE) 2. Carmel, IN (M) 3. Tarpon Springs, FL 4. Avon, IN 5. William Mason, OH 6. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 7. MG Johnson, TX 8. American Fork, UT 9. Fishers, IN Here is where I get a little unsure, 10. Prosper, TX 11. O’Fallon Twp., IL 12. Southlake Carroll, TX 13. Mustang, OK 14. Brownsburg, IN 15. Mustang, OK 16. Hendrickson, TX 17. Castle, IN 18. James F. Byrnes, SC 19. Rosemount, MN 20. Lincoln-Way Community, IL 21. Kiski, PA 22. Centerville, OH I see Centerville surprising people this year I do to, but likely for a different reason. I think both the Lakota bands (East and West) can place higher this year. While I didn't see the show myself, talk in Ohio is West looked better last weekend at the Centerville Invitational.
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Post by paddy on Nov 6, 2022 19:28:25 GMT -6
What are the chances MC takes first in 1A and performs in finals exhibition This, as you could imagine, has been a question of great interest in the Great Commonwealth of 1A… I mean, Kentucky. The rumor I have heard from the well-connected is that they are 6 kids over the line into 2A. I would look to potentially see them in Finals exhibition in 2023. Of course, I have also heard vague rumblings of some sort of reorganization of the Grand Nationals format in 2023? So, who knows. I heard 8 over to start the year, but are now under. My source is pretty good, but there is always room for “smoke”. It may depend on when the enrollment was certified to BOA… On the GN format front, there have been too many rumblings about a separate A/AA comp and then a AAA/AAAA comp for me not to believe something is changing.
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Post by dbalash on Nov 6, 2022 20:34:44 GMT -6
This, as you could imagine, has been a question of great interest in the Great Commonwealth of 1A… I mean, Kentucky. The rumor I have heard from the well-connected is that they are 6 kids over the line into 2A. I would look to potentially see them in Finals exhibition in 2023. Of course, I have also heard vague rumblings of some sort of reorganization of the Grand Nationals format in 2023? So, who knows. I heard 8 over to start the year, but are now under. My source is pretty good, but there is always room for “smoke”. It may depend on when the enrollment was certified to BOA… On the GN format front, there have been too many rumblings about a separate A/AA comp and then a AAA/AAAA comp for me not to believe something is changing. I have also heard 8 over from my source as well (who might be the same person), but have not heard anything in regards to moving down, but that wouldn't 100% surprise me if they DID lose 8 kids based on tuition and other things that I won't be getting into. If it doesn't happen this year, it will soon. The south suburbs are changing, and between music classes being cut left and right and the tuition being $14,000 this year and going up ~4%/year (tuition assistance/scholarships be damned), it's not sustainable. Now back to vacation mode.
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 7, 2022 11:37:30 GMT -6
Thoughts on Brownsburg vs Fishers? I keep putting Fishers in and not Brownsburg but I know I said they’re either both in or not… I see Fishers was ahead at state but was it by a large margin?
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Post by paddy on Nov 7, 2022 11:48:14 GMT -6
Thoughts on Brownsburg vs Fishers? I keep putting Fishers in and not Brownsburg but I know I said they’re either both in or not… I see Fishers was ahead at state but was it by a large margin? I think Fishers has more space to improve through the end of the year. Most recent score gaps... Indy Super finals, Fishers by .38 Class A Semi state, Brownsburg by .05 Class A Finals, Fishers by 3.35
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Post by thewho on Nov 7, 2022 11:56:39 GMT -6
Thoughts on Brownsburg vs Fishers? I keep putting Fishers in and not Brownsburg but I know I said they’re either both in or not… I see Fishers was ahead at state but was it by a large margin? Fishers is solidly in by my count. I don't believe this is one of Fishers's best shows, but the musical and visualbcontent is super hard and it is an engaging watch from a GE-perspective. Broensburg is up to whether they can actually perform the musical content well enough. Brownsburg was 9th in Music Ens this past weekend. There are ton of cases of where most things can be waved away by ISSMA-wacky-judging, but I'm of the opinion that this is a fairly accurate (although extremely harsh) read. The show is clearly one judges like, it's just a matter of whether Brownsburg can squeeze enough juice out it because it's not enough to be a solid lock.
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Post by BandHomer on Nov 7, 2022 12:25:36 GMT -6
Two questions that have been bugging me for the last few weeks...BA and Tarpon have been awfully quiet. What do they have up their sleeves? And what are some big GN reveals in recent memory that have changed a show? The two I know well are the string orchestra that Carmel bussed in for Valhalla and the field-sized American Flag that BA brought out the same year. Any other surprises of note or is that a rarity?
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Post by ohbandfan on Nov 7, 2022 12:32:28 GMT -6
Two questions that have been bugging me for the last few weeks...BA and Tarpon have been awfully quiet. What do they have up their sleeves? And what are some big GN reveals in recent memory that have changed a show? The two I know well are the string orchestra that Carmel bussed in for Valhalla and the field-sized American Flag that BA brought out the same year. Any other surprises of note or is that a rarity? I remember Mason doing at least 1. In 2011 they had the laser lights. Their giant flag at the end last year may have been a GN surprise as well
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