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Post by Allohak on Oct 20, 2022 9:13:38 GMT -6
One great thing about the lineup this year is that we'll get a look in back-to-back weeks at how Avon and Carmel may compare to Broken Arrow. Their relative gaps to Blue Springs will tell us much about the state of things with three weeks to go until GN. Yes, but. Broken Arrow vs Blue Springs a week ago and Avon/Carmel vs Blue Springs this week is not a 100% good indication of Avon/Carmel vs Broken Arrow 3 weeks from now. A LOT of season still to go before we'll have a solid idea of how things will shake out on Nov 12
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Post by riot on Oct 20, 2022 9:36:39 GMT -6
Someone posted on the marching band subreddit that their school won't be going up to Indianapolis this weekend because there aren't enough bus drivers. I'm not sure what school it is though.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 20, 2022 10:01:40 GMT -6
One great thing about the lineup this year is that we'll get a look in back-to-back weeks at how Avon and Carmel may compare to Broken Arrow. Their relative gaps to Blue Springs will tell us much about the state of things with three weeks to go until GN. Yes, but. Broken Arrow vs Blue Springs a week ago and Avon/Carmel vs Blue Springs this week is not a 100% good indication of Avon/Carmel vs Broken Arrow 3 weeks from now. A LOT of season still to go before we'll have a solid idea of how things will shake out on Nov 12 Should assist with defining the upper reaches of the Top 32 for next week (except the relative positioning of some Texas groups).
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 20, 2022 10:12:43 GMT -6
One great thing about the lineup this year is that we'll get a look in back-to-back weeks at how Avon and Carmel may compare to Broken Arrow. Their relative gaps to Blue Springs will tell us much about the state of things with three weeks to go until GN. Yes, but. Broken Arrow vs Blue Springs a week ago and Avon/Carmel vs Blue Springs this week is not a 100% good indication of Avon/Carmel vs Broken Arrow 3 weeks from now. A LOT of season still to go before we'll have a solid idea of how things will shake out on Nov 12 This. Plus (broken record incoming), scores cannot be meaningfully compared across competitions.
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 20, 2022 10:41:39 GMT -6
Camdenton’s show this year reminds me of Dobyns-Bennett last year for a couple of reasons - the homage to the area culture (that’s lost on a lot of outsiders), and a disappointing lack of energy out of a band that is known for exactly that. They’re playing the best they ever have, but I can’t help but want more when I watch it. I really feel like this year is a focus on technical aspects rather than a year of actually trying to make finals. Camdenton knows how to draw in a ton of GE - this show seems like it exists to build up all the other important aspects.
We’ll see how the judges feel about all of that. They’re on the bubble to me, but it really could go either way, and I’m leaning out far more than in. Nevertheless, it’s a beautiful show that does deserve a watch.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 20, 2022 11:26:11 GMT -6
Yes, but. Broken Arrow vs Blue Springs a week ago and Avon/Carmel vs Blue Springs this week is not a 100% good indication of Avon/Carmel vs Broken Arrow 3 weeks from now. A LOT of season still to go before we'll have a solid idea of how things will shake out on Nov 12 This. Plus (broken record incoming), scores cannot be meaningfully compared across competitions. SCORES can't be compared across competitions, but relative GAPS certainly can. That's why I mentioned the "relative gaps" in my original comment. If Avon and/or Carmel finish multiple points ahead of Blue Springs this week, we can surmise that they are probably well ahead of Broken Arrow at this point. If they only beat Blue Springs by a few tenths (as did Broken Arrow) the conclusion is that they are at similar points (for now).
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Post by Shroom on Oct 20, 2022 11:34:14 GMT -6
1. Carmel (Sweep) 2. BS 3. Avon 4. Mason 5. Fishers 6. Castle 7. LW 8. Jenks 9. Brownsburg 10. GV 11. Lafayette 12. Camdenton 13. Centerville 14. Franklin
I haven't seen Union for a bit but from what I saw then I would be extremely surprised to see them in finals. It isn't uncharacteristic of them to clean up in the 2nd half of the season, but considering how competitive the bottom half of this SR is this year I just can't see them in above Centerville or Camdenton.
I'm bullish on both Camdenton and Centerville at this SR. I don't think they'll live up to the heights of previous years they don't seem to be nearly as bad as most people are saying.
I haven't seen Franklin yet but I'm bias towards them. Union might kick them out
This is probably the weirdest SR every year and the results outside of the top 2 are always a shock.
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Post by paddy on Oct 20, 2022 12:12:54 GMT -6
Someone posted on the marching band subreddit that their school won't be going up to Indianapolis this weekend because there aren't enough bus drivers. I'm not sure what school it is though. I know a school around Champaign missed St. Louis due to bus issues.
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 20, 2022 13:32:08 GMT -6
I have to wonder if that was a Floyd Central student who meant to say their Friday performance was cancelled…have there been any official schedule changes today?
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Post by Allohak on Oct 20, 2022 13:54:16 GMT -6
I have to wonder if that was a Floyd Central student who meant to say their Friday performance was cancelled…have there been any official schedule changes today? MFA site still has them listed for Friday lunchtime...*shrug
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Post by Marching Observer on Oct 20, 2022 14:03:49 GMT -6
So really, we don't have a final schedule then still. Awesome. Love last minute changes. I know a lot of bands can't help it with everything going on. I just like having concrete knowledge going into a contest lol
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 20, 2022 14:34:34 GMT -6
I have to wonder if that was a Floyd Central student who meant to say their Friday performance was cancelled…have there been any official schedule changes today? MFA site still has them listed for Friday lunchtime...*shrug Don't look at the "Events" page where it's wrong. Go to "Fall Final Packets" to find the correct version listing Floyd Central on Saturday at 12:30 (eliminates the last break). Schedule as posted by yayband914 is correct.
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Post by madhatter on Oct 20, 2022 19:29:00 GMT -6
Someone posted on the marching band subreddit that their school won't be going up to Indianapolis this weekend because there aren't enough bus drivers. I'm not sure what school it is though. I know a school around Champaign missed St. Louis due to bus issues. This may a concern for many programs this season. Castle has struggled to have a sufficient # of buses and drivers for their weekly treks to contests, coupled with the need for an additional bus this year with more Band members than in past years. Luckily their School Corp has worked very hard to provide what is needed.
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Post by bandymcbandface on Oct 20, 2022 19:32:09 GMT -6
I know a school around Champaign missed St. Louis due to bus issues. This may a concern for many programs this season. Castle has struggled to have a sufficient # of buses and drivers for their weekly treks to contests, coupled with the need for an additional bus this year with more Band members than in past years. Luckily their School Corp has worked very hard to provide what is needed. Money is also a huge problem. Charter companies have raised their rates a TON and availability is hard to come by.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 20, 2022 20:10:31 GMT -6
Yes, but. Broken Arrow vs Blue Springs a week ago and Avon/Carmel vs Blue Springs this week is not a 100% good indication of Avon/Carmel vs Broken Arrow 3 weeks from now. A LOT of season still to go before we'll have a solid idea of how things will shake out on Nov 12 This. Plus (broken record incoming), scores cannot be meaningfully compared across competitions. I have to agree w/ yayband here. It is just so hard to really meaningfully compare scores (or smallish gaps) across competitions. The only score gap I will concede is logical to compare is a large one. I think Mason 6 pointed PCEP in 2016. So obviously we could surmise at the beginning of October that Mason would go on to beat them by a large margin at grand nationals as well. However I will always reference that same year Castle and Centerville tied at Indy super and a week later Castle almost 7 points them. There is no way castle got that much better and centerville got that much worse. I think BA is solid in the top 2. It’s a tough show, a lot to clean, and a GE monster again.
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Post by srv1084 on Oct 20, 2022 21:58:20 GMT -6
First predictions of the season. *Insert gif of Elmo on fire here*
1. Blue Springs (V, GE) 2. Carmel (M) 3. Avon 4. William Mason 5. Fishers 6. Brownsburg 7. Kennesaw Mountain 8. Castle 9. Lincoln-Way 10. Grain Valley 11. Jenks 12. Centerville 13. Franklin 14. Homestead
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 20, 2022 23:17:33 GMT -6
First predictions of the season. *Insert gif of Elmo on fire here* 1. Blue Springs (V, GE) 2. Carmel (M) 3. Avon 4. William Mason 5. Fishers 6. Brownsburg 7. Kennesaw Mountain 8. Castle 9. Lincoln-Way 10. Grain Valley 11. Jenks 12. Centerville 13. Franklin 14. Homestead Livin’ on the wild side I see
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Post by es203 on Oct 20, 2022 23:29:46 GMT -6
First predictions of the season. *Insert gif of Elmo on fire here* 1. Blue Springs (V, GE) 2. Carmel (M) 3. Avon 4. William Mason 5. Fishers 6. Brownsburg 7. Kennesaw Mountain 8. Castle 9. Lincoln-Way 10. Grain Valley 11. Jenks 12. Centerville 13. Franklin 14. Homestead These are... predictions.
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 21, 2022 0:14:00 GMT -6
I just want to make sure we’re all frequently checking in on LeanderMomma this weekend because she will likely be going through a severe case of TRW (Texas Regional Withdrawal).
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Post by Allohak on Oct 21, 2022 3:26:02 GMT -6
I just want to make sure we’re all frequently checking in on LeanderMomma this weekend because she will likely be going through a severe case of TRW (Texas Regional Withdrawal). She's got better things on her schedule this weekend than band, have to imagine the timing was set up to distract from that lack of Texas
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 21, 2022 3:31:12 GMT -6
First predictions of the season. *Insert gif of Elmo on fire here* 1. Blue Springs (V, GE) 2. Carmel (M) 3. Avon 4. William Mason 5. Fishers 6. Brownsburg 7. Kennesaw Mountain 8. Castle 9. Lincoln-Way 10. Grain Valley 11. Jenks 12. Centerville 13. Franklin 14. Homestead Livin’ on the wild side I see Some have put Blue Springs ahead of Avon, others ahead of Carmel. srv1084 is the first bold enough to do both.
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Post by kybanddad911 on Oct 21, 2022 5:42:53 GMT -6
Livin’ on the wild side I see Some have put Blue Springs ahead of Avon, others ahead of Carmel. srv1084 is the first bold enough to do both. Here’s my wild prediction. Lafayette will be better than Centerville. Possibly even better than Brownsburg, heavy leaning into “possibly”. It’s a clean show now, lots of crowd pops. Side note, is it just me or is there a lacking of big crowd pops anymore? I know bands tend to do the slow roll opening now which I despise. I want to be entertained from the beginning and see it roll throughout a whole show. Maybe it’s just me.
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Post by trumpette123 on Oct 21, 2022 5:44:21 GMT -6
First predictions of the season. *Insert gif of Elmo on fire here* 1. Blue Springs (V, GE) 2. Carmel (M) 3. Avon 4. William Mason 5. Fishers 6. Brownsburg 7. Kennesaw Mountain 8. Castle 9. Lincoln-Way 10. Grain Valley 11. Jenks 12. Centerville 13. Franklin 14. Homestead As much as I’d love my alma mater to win their first regional, I’d just be shocked if it was here. Despite was others say this is 100% their strongest show. Tomorrow is their final performance of the season so it COULD happen if Avon and Carmel were taking the show real slow and just spend the next 3 weeks cleaning. I would also be thrilled to see GV that high. We love our neighbors and a fun fact. Grain Valley’s director, Travis Barzee graduated at blue springs and worked there with the band up till he got the job at GV.
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 21, 2022 6:20:09 GMT -6
I know lots of us will be here this weekend! If you’re looking to hunt me down, I’ll either be down on the front row between the 45s with my camera or wandering about in my Marching Mizzou gear.
I’m pretty sure this is my largest Super Regional - I want to say there were 82 bands at San Antonio 2018. I won’t be beating my GN record for a while! I’m excited to be back in Indianapolis. I didn’t have all of these friends last time!
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Post by Marching Observer on Oct 21, 2022 7:59:40 GMT -6
Oh I never put in my thoughts! We are a few bands in but they should still hold lol. I'm probably missing someone important but I haven't gotten much sleep the past few days. Let's all just enjoy the shows eh?! Panel 1: Top 5 (no order) Castle Blue Springs Avon Carmel Fishers Panel 2: Top 5 (no order) Brownsburg Homestead Kennesaw Mountain William Mason Lincoln-Way Community Last 4 (cross panels, no order) Centerville** (Louisville) MPLT* Center Grove* Goshen* Next 4 (cross panels, no order) Jenks** Lafayette** Grain Valley** Westfield** Additional Bubbles (no order) Franklin** Floyd Central** Penn* Noblesville* Union** Camdenton** Evansville North* Beavercreek** Ben Davis** * number equals panel they are in.
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Post by doublegeez on Oct 21, 2022 8:36:55 GMT -6
First predictions of the season. *Insert gif of Elmo on fire here* 1. Blue Springs (V, GE) 2. Carmel (M) 3. Avon 4. William Mason 5. Fishers 6. Brownsburg 7. Kennesaw Mountain 8. Castle 9. Lincoln-Way 10. Grain Valley 11. Jenks 12. Centerville 13. Franklin 14. Homestead As much as I’d love my alma mater to win their first regional, I’d just be shocked if it was here. Despite was others say this is 100% their strongest show. Tomorrow is their final performance of the season so it COULD happen if Avon and Carmel were taking the show real slow and just spend the next 3 weeks cleaning. I would also be thrilled to see GV that high. We love our neighbors and a fun fact. Grain Valley’s director, Travis Barzee graduated at blue springs and worked there with the band up till he got the job at GV. Blue springs won BOA Iowa in 2019 for a regional win, or do you mean first super regional win?
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Post by principalagent on Oct 21, 2022 12:27:48 GMT -6
As much as I’d love my alma mater to win their first regional, I’d just be shocked if it was here. Despite was others say this is 100% their strongest show. Tomorrow is their final performance of the season so it COULD happen if Avon and Carmel were taking the show real slow and just spend the next 3 weeks cleaning. I would also be thrilled to see GV that high. We love our neighbors and a fun fact. Grain Valley’s director, Travis Barzee graduated at blue springs and worked there with the band up till he got the job at GV. Blue Springs won Iowa in 2019! This would be the first super. Also, I think Blue Springs might actually do it. The show is an absolute killer and the kids are amazing. I’ve seen one or two overall better visual productions (Carmel 2017 comes to mind), but the visual performance in this show is mindblowingly good and perhaps unparalleled. And they just sound really top notch in a Blue Springs never had before. Gut says go with what makes sense, but I wouldn’t have imagined Blue Springs could get in striking distance of Broken Arrow and finally snag a clean caption from BA either.
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Post by mbga on Oct 21, 2022 13:32:26 GMT -6
As much as I’d love my alma mater to win their first regional, I’d just be shocked if it was here. Despite was others say this is 100% their strongest show. Tomorrow is their final performance of the season so it COULD happen if Avon and Carmel were taking the show real slow and just spend the next 3 weeks cleaning. I would also be thrilled to see GV that high. We love our neighbors and a fun fact. Grain Valley’s director, Travis Barzee graduated at blue springs and worked there with the band up till he got the job at GV. Blue Springs won Iowa in 2019! This would be the first super. Also, I think Blue Springs might actually do it. The show is an absolute killer and the kids are amazing. I’ve seen one or two overall better visual productions (Carmel 2017 comes to mind), but the visual performance in this show is mindblowingly good and perhaps unparalleled. And they just sound really top notch in a Blue Springs never had before. Gut says go with what makes sense, but I wouldn’t have imagined Blue Springs could get in striking distance of Broken Arrow and finally snag a clean caption from BA either. Not sure why u would have never imagined that, since in 2018 they beat BA at GN (and Avon in semis) as won a caption in semis. Wouldn’t be all that shocking if they won.
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Post by principalagent on Oct 21, 2022 13:54:44 GMT -6
Blue Springs won Iowa in 2019! This would be the first super. Also, I think Blue Springs might actually do it. The show is an absolute killer and the kids are amazing. I’ve seen one or two overall better visual productions (Carmel 2017 comes to mind), but the visual performance in this show is mindblowingly good and perhaps unparalleled. And they just sound really top notch in a Blue Springs never had before. Gut says go with what makes sense, but I wouldn’t have imagined Blue Springs could get in striking distance of Broken Arrow and finally snag a clean caption from BA either. Not sure why u would have never imagined that, since in 2018 they beat BA at GN (and Avon in semis) as won a caption in semis. Wouldn’t be all that shocking if they won. Let me be a bit more clear. Blue Springs had a special show that year, but that show kind of rides its ballad to its success (semis visual caption aside). I thought that show was the exception and not the rule—something you couldn’t really blame me for thinking after 2019 and 2021. The band had not immediately capitalized on their 2018 success to really show that they were a sustained competitor to BA. Especially not mid-season. Blue Springs outright beating Broken Arrow would actually be shocking in a normal year. Especially after Broken Arrow’s marquee record-breaking win! Even stealing a caption and getting within half a point is surprising. You don’t have to believe me here. Go look at the St Louis threads in the archive and it definitely shows that the results weren’t expected before or *during* the competition. And people (wrongfully, in my view) still didn’t see it after the show was done. This show totally changed my mind and made me a believer many weeks ago. I knew it was special, and I am happy the judges agree with me to an extent they never had before (at St Louis and at most Grand Nationals). I hope they really pull it off this weekend. I wish I could be in Indy to see for myself.
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Post by thedanel on Oct 21, 2022 14:22:51 GMT -6
"Long time viewer...3rd time poster"
My day-of too early while I drive to Indy Sup Reg Predictions
Prelims Winners A Union City (TN) AA Grain Valley (MO) AAA Blue Springs (MO) AAAA Carmel (IN)
Finals Predictions [Prelim Panel] Class (Horn Rank-ing) 1. Blue Springs [1] AAA (9) 2. Carmel [1] AAAA (2) 3. Avon (IN) [1] AAAA (5) 4. William Mason (OH) [2] AAAA (14) 5. Brownsburg (IN) [2] AAAA (23) 6. Fishers (IN) [1] AAAA (26) 7. Lincoln-Way Community (IL) [2] AAAA 8. Castle (IN) [1] AAA (32) 9. Jenks (OK) [2] AAAA 10. Grain Valley (MO) [2] AA 11. Centerville (OH) [2] AAAA 12. Lafayette (KY) [2] AAA 13. Homestead (IN) [2] AAAA 14. Camdenton (MO) [2] AA
** Possible Next 4 - Goshen AAA, Kennesaw Mountain AAA, Franklin AA, Center Grove AAAA
Music - Carmel Visual - Blue Springs General Effect - Blue Springs
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