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Post by yayband914 on Oct 28, 2022 11:55:28 GMT -6
As much as I’m sure many would love a semi-finals event at San Antonio (and possibly the other Supers), it just isn’t feasible unless it is expanded into a three-day event like Grand Nationals. And I just don’t see that happening. If Supers did have a semis round, then what would make Grand Nationals different from any other BOA contest? Would it just be considered Indy Super #2? I get that, but at the same time then they should probably limit the # of bands who can enter. To be real, the only thing that makes GN any different is the name. Super regionals are starting to catch up in terms of quality of competition. 3 day competitions are hard for everyone (I know as a parent volunteer) but I also think when you have so many bands, aside from the top 5 the rest is just a luck of the draw and panel. Either way, it will be a great weekend in SA. I also am selfish that I'd love to be able to watch the top 24 bands back to back to really see how they stack up. Respectfully disagree about limiting the number of bands who want to have access to a world class experience and the best adjudicators available. I also think more often than not the top bands are pretty accurately scored. The way they select finalists for super regionals ensure that the “right” bands will perform again.
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Post by banddadguy on Oct 28, 2022 12:09:05 GMT -6
I get that, but at the same time then they should probably limit the # of bands who can enter. To be real, the only thing that makes GN any different is the name. Super regionals are starting to catch up in terms of quality of competition. 3 day competitions are hard for everyone (I know as a parent volunteer) but I also think when you have so many bands, aside from the top 5 the rest is just a luck of the draw and panel. Either way, it will be a great weekend in SA. I also am selfish that I'd love to be able to watch the top 24 bands back to back to really see how they stack up. Respectfully disagree about limiting the number of bands who want to have access to a world class experience and the best adjudicators available. I also think more often than not the top bands are pretty accurately scored. The way they select finalists for super regionals ensure that the “right” bands will perform again. I can respect that, but I don't agree with the "right bands" are always selected for finals. I think if/when you look back at this years SA you will find at least 20 bands who could have made finals given any number of different circumstances (grouping, panel, play time, etc.). The tier 1 is tier 1 (Vandy, Hebron, Marcus, Flower Mound, CTJ, Reagan, and this year Cedar Park and maybe Woodlands), but the Tier 2 and 2b list in Texas has grown exponentially the last few years to a solid 12-14 additional bands who could easily make finals. Everyone will have their opinions but mine is when you expand to a certain amount of participants, the belief you can have fair judging across 2 days and 2 panels with limited slots isn't as valid anymore. To each their own thou, again I am slightly selfish in also wanting to see the top 24 back to back to really see how they stack up. Edited: Maybe you can do a top 14 and then any band who breaks 90 on the scorecard up to 20 bands for finals. Compromise there.
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Post by abtwitch on Oct 28, 2022 12:14:40 GMT -6
Respectfully disagree about limiting the number of bands who want to have access to a world class experience and the best adjudicators available. I also think more often than not the top bands are pretty accurately scored. The way they select finalists for super regionals ensure that the “right” bands will perform again. Edited: Maybe you can do a top 14 and then any band who breaks 90 on the scorecard up to 20 bands for finals. Compromise there. A band scoring a 90 and not making finals has only happened once and I'd assume judges have actively tried to specifically avoid that looking at recent years results.
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Post by banddadguy on Oct 28, 2022 12:19:56 GMT -6
Edited: Maybe you can do a top 14 and then any band who breaks 90 on the scorecard up to 20 bands for finals. Compromise there. A band scoring a 90 and not making finals has only happened once and I'd assume judges have actively tried to specifically avoid that looking at recent years results. Perfect, so it really is a milestone score that can account for more and better bands showing up. But yeah, I also get some slight slotting happens with scores too.
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Post by abtwitch on Oct 28, 2022 12:26:52 GMT -6
A band scoring a 90 and not making finals has only happened once and I'd assume judges have actively tried to specifically avoid that looking at recent years results. Perfect, so it really is a milestone score that can account for more and better bands showing up. But yeah, I also get some slight slotting happens with scores too. Just because 15th place in 2021 didn't break a 90 but 15th place in 2017 did doesn't automatically mean L.D. Bell 2017 was better than Westlake 2021. The top scores at a contest is based on whatever arbitrary number the very first band receives from the judges. All I'm saying is that judges have likely started to score the first band lower to avoid another 15th place 90+ score. Bands shouldn't make finals because they break a certain score threshold because often times that threshold may not be met by certain bands if a completely different program is the first to perform.
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Post by vidal28rdg on Oct 28, 2022 12:35:01 GMT -6
Perfect, so it really is a milestone score that can account for more and better bands showing up. But yeah, I also get some slight slotting happens with scores too. Just because 15th place in 2021 didn't break a 90 but 15th place in 2017 did doesn't automatically mean L.D. Bell 2017 was better than Westlake 2021. The top scores at a contest is based on whatever arbitrary number the very first band receives from the judges. All I'm saying is that judges have likely started to score the first band lower to avoid another 15th place 90+ score. Bands shouldn't make finals because they break a certain score threshold because often times that threshold may not be met by certain bands if a completely different program is the first to perform. 2 panel top 5’s leaving only the 4 top scoring out of 10-15 more finalist hopefuls just doesn’t work for this SR. I think it only can be mitigated with an addition of a semis competition in my view. Sadly, it is incredibly tough to add that to an already congested week and a half of contests that potentially affect a yearly UIL state contest now and several groups that make the trip to GN to finish it off, not to mention the added logistical challenges of making something like a semis contest happen at BOASA itself
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Post by banddadguy on Oct 28, 2022 12:37:53 GMT -6
Perfect, so it really is a milestone score that can account for more and better bands showing up. But yeah, I also get some slight slotting happens with scores too. Just because 15th place in 2021 didn't break a 90 but 15th place in 2017 did doesn't automatically mean L.D. Bell 2017 was better than Westlake 2021. The top scores at a contest is based on whatever arbitrary number the very first band receives from the judges. All I'm saying is that judges have likely started to score the first band lower to avoid another 15th place 90+ score. Bands shouldn't make finals because they break a certain score threshold because often times that threshold may not be met by certain bands if a completely different program is the first to perform. Not sure I ever said a 90 in 2017 was comparable to a 90 in 2021. But a 90 in a competition where judges know above 90 means they will make finals is just a threshold to put out there. I'm just putting a hypothetical out there that says when 83 bands show up and you legitimately have 20+ that can make finals that there will eventually be a multiple bands that don't based on when they played and the panel that judged/grouping (but people love to argue that timing doesn't impact rankings...). Hence the original wishful thinking of hope for a semifinals or expanded finals. If you are good with 14 bands then that is your opinion and is not wrong and I respect it. But my opinion is I think with the level of competition and # of bands that 14 seems too low for SA. Part of this is my selfish take (admitted multiple times) that I would love to see these bands perform right after each other. Also the selfish take of I can't watch 2 straight days of preliminary performances and with Box5 and BOA all but eliminating any youtube videos of performances, I miss a lot of great shows. For example: During the St. Louis regional a band called Normal played in prelims. They didn't make finals but I loved their show. I can't find it anywhere to show others so basically we miss out on a lot of good shows with this format. Prior to seeing them there I have never heard of them. I'd like more exposure to a top set of bands.
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Post by abtwitch on Oct 28, 2022 12:38:12 GMT -6
Just because 15th place in 2021 didn't break a 90 but 15th place in 2017 did doesn't automatically mean L.D. Bell 2017 was better than Westlake 2021. The top scores at a contest is based on whatever arbitrary number the very first band receives from the judges. All I'm saying is that judges have likely started to score the first band lower to avoid another 15th place 90+ score. Bands shouldn't make finals because they break a certain score threshold because often times that threshold may not be met by certain bands if a completely different program is the first to perform. 2 panel top 5’s leaving only the 4 top scoring out of 10-15 more finalist hopefuls just doesn’t work for this SR. I think it only can be mitigated with an addition of a semis competition in my view. Sadly, it is incredibly tough to add that to an already congested week and a half of contests that potentially affect a yearly UIL state contest now and several groups that make the trip to GN to finish it off, not to mention the added logistical challenges of making something like a semis contest happen at BOASA itself If we lived in a perfect world, we would have semis at BOA San Antonio. I think the nail in the coffin for this even being a possibility is UIL most likely going in the direction of every year State cause then the Alamodome would be in use Monday-Saturday the first week of November then one day off on Sunday before the next week of state from Monday-Wednesday.
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Post by banddadguy on Oct 28, 2022 12:41:36 GMT -6
Just because 15th place in 2021 didn't break a 90 but 15th place in 2017 did doesn't automatically mean L.D. Bell 2017 was better than Westlake 2021. The top scores at a contest is based on whatever arbitrary number the very first band receives from the judges. All I'm saying is that judges have likely started to score the first band lower to avoid another 15th place 90+ score. Bands shouldn't make finals because they break a certain score threshold because often times that threshold may not be met by certain bands if a completely different program is the first to perform. 2 panel top 5’s leaving only the 4 top scoring out of 10-15 more finalist hopefuls just doesn’t work for this SR. I think it only can be mitigated with an addition of a semis competition in my view. Sadly, it is incredibly tough to add that to an already congested week and a half of contests that potentially affect a yearly UIL state contest now and several groups that make the trip to GN to finish it off, not to mention the added logistical challenges of making something like a semis contest happen at BOASA itself Agree...may never happen. But we can also wish for it right!!!! Plus, a good problem to have is knowing you have this top level of competition all in one place!
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 28, 2022 13:30:27 GMT -6
Edited: Maybe you can do a top 14 and then any band who breaks 90 on the scorecard up to 20 bands for finals. Compromise there. Would you be okay with a Top 5 each panel and ONLY those bands that break 90 advancing? What if that means only 10 of the 83 or 84 bands advance because the baseline set by the first band on each panel is low enough that even the bands that are 20-25 points "better" only score in the high 80s? No system is perfect and somebody is always the "first band out." The high quality directors that lead our beloved bands use this as motivation to do better next time. That's why the activity keeps pushing forward.
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Post by banddadguy on Oct 28, 2022 13:43:22 GMT -6
Edited: Maybe you can do a top 14 and then any band who breaks 90 on the scorecard up to 20 bands for finals. Compromise there. Would you be okay with a Top 5 each panel and ONLY those bands that break 90 advancing? What if that means only 10 of the 83 or 84 bands advance because the baseline set by the first band on each panel is low enough that even the bands that are 20-25 points "better" only score in the high 80s? No system is perfect and somebody is always the "first band out." The high quality directors that lead our beloved bands use this as motivation to do better next time. That's why the activity keeps pushing forward. So because no system is perfect then we can't throw out possible ideas to make it better? um..ok. And the directors are doing awesome, but we also know that ways to make bands better is modifying competitions to account for a more fair system. If you add a semi's and limit finals to 10 bands I'd be good with it. If you don't do anything, I'd be good with it but would be sad that some bands miss out based on times, groupings, etc. If you add another finals slot for every 10 bands after 60, I'd see that as progress. You can also just be honest and know in this competition a 1A and 2A band isn't making finals so maybe they group all 3As and 4As together on the same days if possible. Take away variables that aren't just about the performance. No band director for a next tier band is telling their band they can one day beat Hebron, Vandergrift, etc. That's highly unlikely for most bands based on size of district, money, etc.. But they can say hey, based on the way the competition works, you have a heck of a shot of making finals that isn't impacted by being the first band to play on the first day and being grouped in a tougher draw. Again, just throwing out thoughts and ideas on how to grow this as the # and level of bands grow at great competitions like SA.
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Post by lostchoirguy on Oct 28, 2022 15:01:48 GMT -6
In response to the comment about what would make Grand Nats different than the Indy Super Regional, I think the main difference is the scope of participants. Obviously there are exceptions, but Grand Nats should have representatives from all over the country, whereas the Indy Super should be mostly Midwest bands.
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Post by vidal28rdg on Oct 28, 2022 15:33:03 GMT -6
2 panel top 5’s leaving only the 4 top scoring out of 10-15 more finalist hopefuls just doesn’t work for this SR. I think it only can be mitigated with an addition of a semis competition in my view. Sadly, it is incredibly tough to add that to an already congested week and a half of contests that potentially affect a yearly UIL state contest now and several groups that make the trip to GN to finish it off, not to mention the added logistical challenges of making something like a semis contest happen at BOASA itself If we lived in a perfect world, we would have semis at BOA San Antonio. I think the nail in the coffin for this even being a possibility is UIL most likely going in the direction of every year State cause then the Alamodome would be in use Monday-Saturday the first week of November then one day off on Sunday before the next week of state from Monday-Wednesday. Agreed 100% sadly
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 28, 2022 15:45:27 GMT -6
Would you be okay with a Top 5 each panel and ONLY those bands that break 90 advancing? What if that means only 10 of the 83 or 84 bands advance because the baseline set by the first band on each panel is low enough that even the bands that are 20-25 points "better" only score in the high 80s? No system is perfect and somebody is always the "first band out." The high quality directors that lead our beloved bands use this as motivation to do better next time. That's why the activity keeps pushing forward. So because no system is perfect then we can't throw out possible ideas to make it better? um..ok. ... Again, just throwing out thoughts and ideas on how to grow this as the # and level of bands grow at great competitions like SA. Just throwing out an idea that make as much sense to me (limit finals based on a minimum required score) as does your idea (to admit all that exceed a certain number). One (mine) artificially limits the number of bands (bad idea), the other is logistically untenable. How does the organization plan for having at least fourteen and up to twenty bands in finals? Last competing band may perform at 11:45 p.m. with more time still possibly needed for exhibition bands?
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 28, 2022 15:46:10 GMT -6
In response to the comment about what would make Grand Nats different than the Indy Super Regional, I think the main difference is the scope of participants. Obviously there are exceptions, but Grand Nats should have representatives from all over the country, whereas the Indy Super should be mostly Midwest bands. Yes. My point was that semis is distinctive to Nats and Nats alone, and I personally believe it should remain that way. To me, it would somehow make the contest less “special” than if Supers had semifinals rounds, as lovely as it sounds on paper.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 28, 2022 15:48:42 GMT -6
2 panel top 5’s leaving only the 4 top scoring out of 10-15 more finalist hopefuls just doesn’t work for this SR. I think it only can be mitigated with an addition of a semis competition in my view. Sadly, it is incredibly tough to add that to an already congested week and a half of contests that potentially affect a yearly UIL state contest now and several groups that make the trip to GN to finish it off, not to mention the added logistical challenges of making something like a semis contest happen at BOASA itself If we lived in a perfect world, we would have semis at BOA San Antonio. I think the nail in the coffin for this even being a possibility is UIL most likely going in the direction of every year State cause then the Alamodome would be in use Monday-Saturday the first week of November then one day off on Sunday before the next week of state from Monday-Wednesday. So of course the solution to being able to incorporate an extra round is to have SASR several weeks earlier! WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Part of the beauty of this event is that all of the bands are performing COMPLETE shows. We're getting everybody's best. Second weekend of October, not so much.
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Post by vidal28rdg on Oct 28, 2022 16:00:50 GMT -6
If we lived in a perfect world, we would have semis at BOA San Antonio. I think the nail in the coffin for this even being a possibility is UIL most likely going in the direction of every year State cause then the Alamodome would be in use Monday-Saturday the first week of November then one day off on Sunday before the next week of state from Monday-Wednesday. So of course the solution to being able to incorporate an extra round is to have SASR several weeks earlier! WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Part of the beauty of this event is that all of the bands are performing COMPLETE shows. We're getting everybody's best. Second weekend of October, not so much. I really don’t think this is something anyone was suggesting, more so just talking about what the reality of a semis would be to an already congested early November. We all know that holding it earlier would interfere with UIL area, and potentially region for some schools, other local contests, etc.
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Post by banddadguy on Oct 28, 2022 16:13:02 GMT -6
So because no system is perfect then we can't throw out possible ideas to make it better? um..ok. ... Again, just throwing out thoughts and ideas on how to grow this as the # and level of bands grow at great competitions like SA. Just throwing out an idea that make as much sense to me (limit finals based on a minimum required score) as does your idea (to admit all that exceed a certain number). One (mine) artificially limits the number of bands (bad idea), the other is logistically untenable. How does the organization plan for having at least fourteen and up to twenty bands in finals? Last competing band may perform at 11:45 p.m. with more time still possibly needed for exhibition bands? They already hold 3 slots in case 1A, 2A, and 3A champions don't make finals and can play exhibition. It's not unheard of to have 2 more slots and start at 7:00 vs. 7:30. Another idea is why does GN have to be in Indy every year, why can't that rotate considering Indianapolis already has a super regional? Maybe every other year SA becomes a GN and when it's not it stays a Super Regional. Again, the art is growing and we all love it. I want to see as many bands as I can and this would be easier if Youtube videos could be left up, but we all know legally that won't happen. Seems that midwest bands have the advantages that Texas and West coast bands don't have for GN, so spread it around.
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 28, 2022 16:16:14 GMT -6
Just throwing out an idea that make as much sense to me (limit finals based on a minimum required score) as does your idea (to admit all that exceed a certain number). One (mine) artificially limits the number of bands (bad idea), the other is logistically untenable. How does the organization plan for having at least fourteen and up to twenty bands in finals? Last competing band may perform at 11:45 p.m. with more time still possibly needed for exhibition bands? They already hold 3 slots in case 1A, 2A, and 3A champions don't make finals and can play exhibition. It's not unheard of to have 2 more slots and start at 7:00 vs. 7:30. Another idea is why does GN have to be in Indy every year, why can't that rotate considering Indianapolis already has a super regional? Maybe every other year SA becomes a GN and when it's not it stays a Super Regional. Again, the art is growing and we all love it. I want to see as many bands as I can and this would be easier if Youtube videos could be left up, but we all know legally that won't happen. Seems that midwest bands have the advantages that Texas and West coast bands don't have for GN, so spread it around. I forgot who said it and where, but Lucas Oil Stadium is literally the only stadium in the country that can withstand and sustain an event like Grand Nationals. No other stadium in the country that has an indoor option with a convention center right next door, amongst many other reasons. I don’t think we’ll see Grand Nats move from Lucas Oil any time soon.
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Post by banddadguy on Oct 28, 2022 16:22:39 GMT -6
They already hold 3 slots in case 1A, 2A, and 3A champions don't make finals and can play exhibition. It's not unheard of to have 2 more slots and start at 7:00 vs. 7:30. Another idea is why does GN have to be in Indy every year, why can't that rotate considering Indianapolis already has a super regional? Maybe every other year SA becomes a GN and when it's not it stays a Super Regional. Again, the art is growing and we all love it. I want to see as many bands as I can and this would be easier if Youtube videos could be left up, but we all know legally that won't happen. Seems that midwest bands have the advantages that Texas and West coast bands don't have for GN, so spread it around. I forgot who said it and where, but Lucas Oil Stadium is literally the only stadium in the country that can withstand and sustain an event like Grand Nationals. No other stadium in the country that has an indoor option with a convention center right next door, amongst many other reasons. I don’t think we’ll see Grand Nats move from Lucas Oil any time soon. While I think they do well, that is farther from the truth. Houston's NRG is literally beside one of the biggest convention centers in the nation, supports multiple events at the same time and hosts a rodeo that has a carnival, stock show, and 75K people for a concert. I am sure there are other venues that can do it also around the nation. I appreciate Indy being the gold standard but at some point having it somewhere else would make sense and be cool. Even if only once every 3 or 4 years. Also SA has DCI, BOA and UIL along with being right beside tons of hotels and convention centers. There's no doubt SA could host it also. But I appreciate the discussion. It's awesome we can have these conversations because the art is growing and not because it's struggling!!!!!! So excited for the future!
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Post by banddadguy on Oct 28, 2022 16:28:30 GMT -6
In response to the comment about what would make Grand Nats different than the Indy Super Regional, I think the main difference is the scope of participants. Obviously there are exceptions, but Grand Nats should have representatives from all over the country, whereas the Indy Super should be mostly Midwest bands. Yes. My point was that semis is distinctive to Nats and Nats alone, and I personally believe it should remain that way. To me, it would somehow make the contest less “special” than if Supers had semifinals rounds, as lovely as it sounds on paper. Makes sense. But at this point what makes it special if half the best bands in the nation only show up once every 3rd or 4th year. You have to admit that this years GN is diluted with at least one of the Texas powerhouses not attending this year. It's kind of like when BA or Avon take off a year at the same time or etc. Remember last year 6 of 7 Texas bands who went made finals. I think it's realistic to accept that GN may lose some appeal if not all the bands can go and it's largely a mid-west event.
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Post by abtwitch on Oct 28, 2022 20:28:59 GMT -6
If we lived in a perfect world, we would have semis at BOA San Antonio. I think the nail in the coffin for this even being a possibility is UIL most likely going in the direction of every year State cause then the Alamodome would be in use Monday-Saturday the first week of November then one day off on Sunday before the next week of state from Monday-Wednesday. So of course the solution to being able to incorporate an extra round is to have SASR several weeks earlier! WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Part of the beauty of this event is that all of the bands are performing COMPLETE shows. We're getting everybody's best. Second weekend of October, not so much. I wasn't advocating for this at all, I was just pointing out why it definitely won't happen now even in the wildest of dreams. I entirely agree that having qualifier events earlier in the season is an awful idea.
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Post by bandfannate on Oct 30, 2022 8:52:55 GMT -6
Repost from Txbands: I’m very impressed with how much Leander has improved this season.
This only makes the bubble of SA even more unpredictable. Leander managed to not only catch up to, but pass both CP and Rouse last year in finals. CP is untouchable to me at this point but I could see Leander and Rouse being extremely close once again. They were separated by an absurdly small margin of .02 in pre lims of SA last year. This puts both bands in the finals conversation yet again so here’s my prediction 1 week out. Unordered within tiers.
Top 5-Hebron, Vandegrift, Flowermound, Cedar Ridge, Reagan.
6-10-CTJ, Vista Ridge, The Woodlands, Marcus, Cedar Park
Bubble(of death)-Rouse, Westlake, Bowie, Leander, Cy-Fair, Coppell, Round Rock, Keller, LD Bell, Hendrickson.
It’s going to be incredibly close.
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Post by bandfannate on Oct 30, 2022 8:54:37 GMT -6
Side note: I wouldn’t be surprised to see 12 bands break 90 this year in finals.
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Post by saturdaynightlights on Oct 30, 2022 23:42:21 GMT -6
Repost from Txbands: I’m very impressed with how much Leander has improved this season. This only makes the bubble of SA even more unpredictable. Leander managed to not only catch up to, but pass both CP and Rouse last year in finals. CP is untouchable to me at this point but I could see Leander and Rouse being extremely close once again. They were separated by an absurdly small margin of .02 in pre lims of SA last year. This puts both bands in the finals conversation yet again so here’s my prediction 1 week out. Unordered within tiers. Top 5-Hebron, Vandegrift, Flowermound, Cedar Ridge, Reagan. 6-10-CTJ, Vista Ridge, The Woodlands, Marcus, Cedar Park Bubble(of death)-Rouse, Westlake, Bowie, Leander, Cy-Fair, Coppell, Round Rock, Keller, LD Bell, Hendrickson. It’s going to be incredibly close. Of the bubble, Rock is the only one I feel good about making it. I think Westlake does as well, but other than that, it's just so tight.
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 31, 2022 6:46:28 GMT -6
Trying to predict this regional year in and year out is a total crapshoot. That said, here are my predictions:
1. Hebron H.S. (Music, GE) 2. Cedar Ridge H.S. (Visual) 3. Vandegrift H.S. 4. Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S. 5. Vista Ridge H.S. 6. Flower Mound H.S. 7. Marcus H.S. 8. Ronald Reagan H.S. 9. The Woodlands H.S. 10. Cedar Park H.S. 11. Round Rock H.S. 12. Coppell H.S. 13. Westlake H.S. 14. Cy-Fair H.S.
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Post by Samuel Culper on Oct 31, 2022 7:00:19 GMT -6
Panel 1 - Ronald Reagan, CTJ, Flower Mound, Marcus, Round Rock
Panel 2 - Cedar Ridge, Vista Ridge, Vandegrift, The Woodlands, Hebron
Next Four - Cedar Park, Coppell, Westlake, Leander
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Post by abtwitch on Oct 31, 2022 8:46:00 GMT -6
While I do think it's quite the longshot for finals, I haven't seen anyone mention Wylie in their bubble yet. They had a very strong performance at Area even taking a visual judge from Marcus. It's a very UIL-friendly show so it probably doesn't have the legs to make it all the way into finals, but they play and move extremely well and will surprise people this weekend. Ceiling of 14th, floor of 22nd, most likely in the 16-18 range in my opinion.
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Post by bandfannate on Oct 31, 2022 9:20:55 GMT -6
While I do think it's quite the longshot for finals, I haven't seen anyone mention Wylie in their bubble yet. They had a very strong performance at Area even taking a visual judge from Marcus. It's a very UIL-friendly show so it probably doesn't have the legs to make it all the way into finals, but they play and move extremely well and will surprise people this weekend. Ceiling of 14th, floor of 22nd, most likely in the 16-18 range in my opinion. It's insane to think just how big and talented the bubble for this contest is. When I was in high school the "bubble" referred to those bands likely to place in the 12-18 range. This year that same bubble is more accurately between 12th and 24th place. Shows that would place between 5th-10th in 2011 would all be fighting in the bubble this year.
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 31, 2022 9:22:04 GMT -6
While I do think it's quite the longshot for finals, I haven't seen anyone mention Wylie in their bubble yet. They had a very strong performance at Area even taking a visual judge from Marcus. It's a very UIL-friendly show so it probably doesn't have the legs to make it all the way into finals, but they play and move extremely well and will surprise people this weekend. Ceiling of 14th, floor of 22nd, most likely in the 16-18 range in my opinion. They placed 36th in 2021, 18th in 2019, 44th in 2018. A wild card for sure!
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