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Post by paddy on Nov 17, 2021 13:15:32 GMT -6
“Doing what is right for kids” also has a history of being used as a shield/crutch when you do something that people disagree with.
However, spending the last 6 months sitting in board meetings where people, who claim to be “doing what is right for kids” spend their time calling school employees racists, pedophiles, tyrants, and sinners while threatening physical violence might have jaded me.
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Post by josephbandfan on Nov 17, 2021 13:21:19 GMT -6
Lots of assumptions are being made here. CTJ did the same thing in San Antonio due to the lack of a full retreat option, but nobody is roasting them for that. They placed 3rd overall in San Antonio so the idea that they were angry with their placement doesn’t jibe. I spoke briefly with Mr. Lipman about it a short time ago and he insisted that the decision was made in the best interest of his exhausted kiddos and not due to anything more scandalous than that. He also said that if there had been a full retreat, the full band ABSOLUTELY would have stayed for it. I definitely understand that some people will continue to think poorly of the Claudia Taylor Johnson band because of this, but being a former school administrator myself who didn’t always make the most “popular” decisions in order to do what I thought was best for my students and my staff, I completely back Jarrett and his staff for choosing to do what they felt was right for the kids. This makes sense as there was a full retreat at state and CTJ was in attendance, and they placed 8th in finals. Traveling across the country, 7 performances in 1 week with quite the difficult show, rehearsals, schoolwork, etc. But I would also think they'd want to attend the ceremony as an end to their season, especially for the seniors. They are on a 2 year rotation so their freshman and sophomores will get another opportunity. I'm still so jealous of the schools that get to go to GN often.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Nov 17, 2021 13:29:36 GMT -6
“Doing what is right for kids” also has a history of being used as a shield/crutch when you do something that people disagree with. However, spending the last 6 months sitting in board meetings where people, who claim to be “doing what is right for kids” spend their time calling school employees racists, pedophiles, tyrants, and sinners while threatening physical violence might have jaded me. I understand being jaded as well. I had my fill of certain types of parents by the time I was forced into retirement by the pandemic and the board permanently closing my little school. Retirement is nice for lots of reasons but I sure do miss my little guys and gals.
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Post by CTJBandPops on Nov 17, 2021 21:50:41 GMT -6
"And now, you know the rest of the story." If that were the full story, maybe. I'm not fully buying the "our kids were tired" bit, and this will very much remain impactful on my level of respect for the CTJ program in the future. But I'm just a random guy in Ohio. It is what it is, and what it is is incredibly unfortunate. so one of the comments was that "someone from CTJ needs to explain" so as a CTJ parent that was there, let me give you what is the full story since you appear to believe that someone is hiding something - believe it or not - but it is what it is. On Oct 14th, the NEISD decided that all out of state travel teams would be Covid tested prior to departing the state. this would impact CTJ and Reagan bands. while there is a lot of political teeth gnashing that went on (I will spare you those details) in the end the testing was dropped because if a student had a false positive, there was no time to retest prior to Wednesday mornings flight to Indy. as part of the discussion with the district, there was a commitment that if a child tested positive, they would be quarantined (rooms dedicated to that in rooming plan) and if their parents could not get there timely, they would have a chaperone and that we would get them home. as you cannot fly with known Covid, we had parents and even our director that committed to making the 18 hour drive to get them back to San Antonio. CTJ band has had zero positive Covid students all season. CTJ performed late Friday for BOA SA and was working all day Saturday and performed Finals on Saturday. the kids were expected to study on Sunday as they would be out of class all week and they completed UIL full retreat on Tuesday evening and went home to pack. They had a 5:am call time at the school on Wednesday morning. they got to Indy they checked in, had dinner and practiced. they performed Thursday night as the last band at 10:30pm. they had practice on Friday and at that point we had kids that were not feeling well. if you are not aware, Music Travel employed a physician to serve all the MTC travelers. this was a M.D. that traveled with the Boston Crusaders this summer. there were tests done, all where negative but it was suspected that we had some kids with a food positioning or some other food borne illness. The impacted kids where miserable - hard to march and focus when dealing with that - if you have ever had food illnesses - you know what I am talking about. On Friday, the kids normally would go to the stadium to watch and cheer on other programs. Most, if not all went back to their rooms to rest and be close to a bathroom. Saturday practice was cut short, kids were sent back to the rooms after semi-finals to rest. The kids where given a chance to choose to stay in the stands for retreat or go back to their rooms to rest or do homework. With so many still not feeling well or just plain exhausted, they opted to go back and rest/pack for their 6am wake up call. they got much needed rest and some spent their time catching up on a weeks worth of homework. The flights were delayed on Sunday due to the weather and the ground crew for a charter was a loaner from another airline and their planes are a priority - not the charter. in 2020, CTJ made it through the UIL season and still put on a full show because they took the steps needed to ensure the safety of our kids. The CTJ directors went back to that with the sick kids - rest, fluids and let them heal. for those that felt that they should not have done UIL State in a year a trip to Indy was planned - they made it through the pandemic to win a UIL State Title that they where proud to defend. in 2016 CTJ bowed out of UIL state to go to Indy and it is frowned upon to do that too often. It was never the intent of the director, the kids, or the program to give ANYONE the impression that we somehow felt that the placement did not warrant their attendance. so - NOW - you have the rest of the story. this was not CTJ being arrogant and/or entitled, this was just a bunch of kids that will never eat sausage at the Punch Bowl Social ever again. so cut them some slack. as for questioning the leadership of the director and his motive, I have known Jarrett for 11 years and have trusted him with my kids. Everything he does is about guiding our kids and making them better adults. His goal it to always put on a show for the crowd regardless of the scoring placements. it is about leaving it all on the field, but the safety and well-being of the kids - HIS kids, always comes first.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 17, 2021 22:18:29 GMT -6
If that were the full story, maybe. I'm not fully buying the "our kids were tired" bit, and this will very much remain impactful on my level of respect for the CTJ program in the future. But I'm just a random guy in Ohio. It is what it is, and what it is is incredibly unfortunate. so one of the comments was that "someone from CTJ needs to explain" so as a CTJ parent that was there, let me give you what is the full story since you appear to believe that someone is hiding something - believe it or not - but it is what it is. On Oct 14th, the NEISD decided that all out of state travel teams would be Covid tested prior to departing the state. this would impact CTJ and Reagan bands. while there is a lot of political teeth gnashing that went on (I will spare you those details) in the end the testing was dropped because if a student had a false positive, there was no time to retest prior to Wednesday mornings flight to Indy. as part of the discussion with the district, there was a commitment that if a child tested positive, they would be quarantined (rooms dedicated to that in rooming plan) and if their parents could not get there timely, they would have a chaperone and that we would get them home. as you cannot fly with known Covid, we had parents and even our director that committed to making the 18 hour drive to get them back to San Antonio. CTJ band has had zero positive Covid students all season. CTJ performed late Friday for BOA SA and was working all day Saturday and performed Finals on Saturday. the kids were expected to study on Sunday as they would be out of class all week and they completed UIL full retreat on Tuesday evening and went home to pack. They had a 5:am call time at the school on Wednesday morning. they got to Indy they checked in, had dinner and practiced. they performed Thursday night as the last band at 10:30pm. they had practice on Friday and at that point we had kids that were not feeling well. if you are not aware, Music Travel employed a physician to serve all the MTC travelers. this was a M.D. that traveled with the Boston Crusaders this summer. there were tests done, all where negative but it was suspected that we had some kids with a food positioning or some other food borne illness. The impacted kids where miserable - hard to march and focus when dealing with that - if you have ever had food illnesses - you know what I am talking about. On Friday, the kids normally would go to the stadium to watch and cheer on other programs. Most, if not all went back to their rooms to rest and be close to a bathroom. Saturday practice was cut short, kids were sent back to the rooms after semi-finals to rest. The kids where given a chance to choose to stay in the stands for retreat or go back to their rooms to rest or do homework. With so many still not feeling well or just plain exhausted, they opted to go back and rest/pack for their 6am wake up call. they got much needed rest and some spent their time catching up on a weeks worth of homework. The flights were delayed on Sunday due to the weather and the ground crew for a charter was a loaner from another airline and their planes are a priority - not the charter. in 2020, CTJ made it through the UIL season and still put on a full show because they took the steps needed to ensure the safety of our kids. The CTJ directors went back to that with the sick kids - rest, fluids and let them heal. for those that felt that they should not have done UIL State in a year a trip to Indy was planned - they made it through the pandemic to win a UIL State Title that they where proud to defend. in 2016 CTJ bowed out of UIL state to go to Indy and it is frowned upon to do that too often. It was never the intent of the director, the kids, or the program to give ANYONE the impression that we somehow felt that the placement did not warrant their attendance. so - NOW - you have the rest of the story. this was not CTJ being arrogant and/or entitled, this was just a bunch of kids that will never eat sausage at the Punch Bowl Social ever again. so cut them some slack. as for questioning the leadership of the director and his motive, I have known Jarrett for 11 years and have trusted him with my kids. Everything he does is about guiding our kids and making them better adults. His goal it to always put on a show for the crowd regardless of the scoring placements. it is about leaving it all on the field, but the safety and well-being of the kids - HIS kids, always comes first. Wow, thank you for the clarification! I hope this is able to shut down all of those nasty rumors. That really stinks for the kids- I sincerely hope they felt better quickly! They were phenomenal Saturday night and I can’t imagine putting a product like that on the field feeling anything less than fantastic.
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Post by macwinlin on Nov 18, 2021 1:36:56 GMT -6
So is this why Mustang shouldn't have won Espirit de Corps? ;-)
But for real, that situation is insane. I'm glad the kids were able to perform in LOS and make it home safely after all the troubles. Everyone truly enjoyed watching them, and I'm sure the kids and parents enjoyed the experience, even with the exhaustion.
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Post by supersound on Nov 18, 2021 7:11:39 GMT -6
So is this why Mustang shouldn't have won Espirit de Corps? ;-) But for real, that situation is insane. I'm glad the kids were able to perform in LOS and make it home safely after all the troubles. Everyone truly enjoyed watching them, and I'm sure the kids and parents enjoyed the experience, even with the exhaustion. I’m honestly not sure what that one guys deal was about Mustang winning the Espirit because I didn’t even mention that in my post that they replied to. Good on Mustang for winning that by the way! I wasn’t there but I had heard very nice things about them, as well as Pinecrest who I thought might tie them for the award.
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Post by banddad85 on Nov 18, 2021 13:40:11 GMT -6
Congrats to Broken Arrow for Grand National Title number 4. Their performance was AWESOME! All finalist bands were incredible. Congrats to Broken Arrow on another BOA GN title, well deserved. To honor the band’s illustrious history at the event let’s take a look back to the pride’s first trip to grand nationals. It was 1998 and I am sure that BOA history buff can recall what an impressive field it was that November. BA had won the St.Louis regional in 1997 and again in 1998. This was the first GN of the semifinals era that would have the finals move from 10 to 12 highly coveted spots. Broken Arrow had a great program that featured Candide by Leonard Bernstein. The group would place 9th in semifinals with a score of 90.15 giving them their first birth into grand national finals. They would perform in the last spot on Saturday night and finish 11th with a score of 88.35. Marian Catholic would win best music and place 4th with a 94.55, Plymouth Canton took visual and finished 2nd with a 96.3,Lassiter earned best general effect and was crowned grand national champion with a 97.55. Center Grove got the bronze medal with a 94.75. The Centerville jazz band rounded out the top 5 with a 93.9. Just a quick look back at some Broken Arrow and BOA history. Congratulations to BA on number four. Eddie Jopp As an instructor from that era, I remember how much I watched in awe of all of the finalist bands of 1998. I know that people claim that the high school product continues to evolve & get better, but I can't think of a more stacked finals than 1998. Forget the scores, but even the lowest placing bands of that night were incredibly far beyond what I have seen most other years. By far, the best musical performances in BOA History 1-12.
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Post by banddad85 on Nov 18, 2021 13:45:14 GMT -6
So is this why Mustang shouldn't have won Espirit de Corps? ;-) But for real, that situation is insane. I'm glad the kids were able to perform in LOS and make it home safely after all the troubles. Everyone truly enjoyed watching them, and I'm sure the kids and parents enjoyed the experience, even with the exhaustion. I’m honestly not sure what that one guys deal was about Mustang winning the Espirit because I didn’t even mention that in my post that they replied to. Good on Mustang for winning that by the way! I wasn’t there but I had heard very nice things about them, as well as Pinecrest who I thought might tie them for the award. If you read every word, you should be able to figure out that what I am talking about had to do not with Mustang simply winning the Espirit de Corps, but the method in which the award itself is presented. What is the criteria? Who picks the band? It is the most flimsy of awards given, but I am unaware of how off-site logistical situations automatically vault a band to winning this esteemed award, named after a legendary director. This has to do with the stated criteria of how an award is given & the criteria and not to discredit the Mustang Band. Could have been ANY other band with the same backstory. Is it the media coverage because they could not secure busses. Is that BOA's angle - free media? Just be honest about it. I've called Espirit De Corps Award winners multiple times & have a pretty good idea what goes into it. I'm just wondering why the announcer says something different, especially in this case. They need to update the script. It's a generation or more old and clearly not how they pick the winner in many cases. It's a political award. Why give it to Marian Catholic in 2007, for example? Because the RCA Dome was closing, not necessarily because Marian outshone the rest. They are a class organization, but the fix was in from the start on that particular 'award'. It has also been given to bands who slide down in finals, presumably to soften the blow. So who chooses it?
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Post by band05 on Nov 18, 2021 14:00:54 GMT -6
I’m honestly not sure what that one guys deal was about Mustang winning the Espirit because I didn’t even mention that in my post that they replied to. Good on Mustang for winning that by the way! I wasn’t there but I had heard very nice things about them, as well as Pinecrest who I thought might tie them for the award. If you read every word, you should be able to figure out that what I am talking about had to do not with Mustang simply winning the Espirit de Corps, but the method in which the award itself is presented. What is the criteria? Who picks the band? It is the most flimsy of awards given, but I am unaware of how off-site logistical situations automatically vault a band to winning this esteemed award, named after a legendary director. This has to do with the stated criteria of how an award is given & the criteria and not to discredit the Mustang Band. Could have been ANY other band with the same backstory. Is it the media coverage because they could not secure busses. Is that BOA's angle - free media? Just be honest about it. I've called Espirit De Corps Award winners multiple times & have a pretty good idea what goes into it. I'm just wondering why the announcer says something different, especially in this case. They need to update the script. It's a generation or more old and clearly not how they pick the winner in many cases. It's a political award. Why give it to Marian Catholic in 2007, for example? Because the RCA Dome was closing, not necessarily because Marian outshone the rest. They are a class organization, but the fix was in from the start on that particular 'award'. It has also been given to bands who slide down in finals, presumably to soften the blow. So who chooses it? No matter how you want to present it now, the posts that you have been making appear to have very much been attempting to discredit Mustang. The award, unlike what you would like to believe, was not presented to Mustang because of their transport situation. It was given to Mustang because they were on a corner room of the convention center, and they took the time and clapped both in and out every band that walked past their storage room while they were there (but I am sure there is more reasons than just that one). They were very kind to everyone around them all weekend, and appreciated the moment even more then they would have without the bus problem. Let the students enjoy the moment and stop trying to undermine their victories.
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Post by banddad85 on Nov 18, 2021 14:13:15 GMT -6
If you read every word, you should be able to figure out that what I am talking about had to do not with Mustang simply winning the Espirit de Corps, but the method in which the award itself is presented. What is the criteria? Who picks the band? It is the most flimsy of awards given, but I am unaware of how off-site logistical situations automatically vault a band to winning this esteemed award, named after a legendary director. This has to do with the stated criteria of how an award is given & the criteria and not to discredit the Mustang Band. Could have been ANY other band with the same backstory. Is it the media coverage because they could not secure busses. Is that BOA's angle - free media? Just be honest about it. I've called Espirit De Corps Award winners multiple times & have a pretty good idea what goes into it. I'm just wondering why the announcer says something different, especially in this case. They need to update the script. It's a generation or more old and clearly not how they pick the winner in many cases. It's a political award. Why give it to Marian Catholic in 2007, for example? Because the RCA Dome was closing, not necessarily because Marian outshone the rest. They are a class organization, but the fix was in from the start on that particular 'award'. It has also been given to bands who slide down in finals, presumably to soften the blow. So who chooses it? No matter how you want to present it now, the posts that you have been making appear to have very much been attempting to discredit Mustang. The award, unlike what you would like to believe, was not presented to Mustang because of their transport situation. It was given to Mustang because they were on a corner room of the convention center, and they took the time and clapped both in and out every band that walked past their storage room while they were there (but I am sure there is more reasons than just that one). They were very kind to everyone around them all weekend, and appreciated the moment even more then they would have without the bus problem. Let the students enjoy the moment and stop trying to undermine their victories. You can take it as criticizing Mustang, but that isn't what is happening, so you can stop worrying about it. Don't worry about it. I'm asking about the award itself, especially given its history, is largely a political award, typically given to bands who come from a long ways away or have some sentimental value of some sort. It, however, flies in the face of the actual announcement and the script. I have nothing against the Mustang Band and good on them for making it to BOA & into BOA Semis. Anyone who is unable to tell the difference between asking questions about how the award winner is selected & the band who won an award should just stay out of the discussion. It has nothing to do with the band who won the award and whether or not their behavior on-site was worthy of such an award.. The fact that it was predictable who would win an award (out of 99 bands) is weird. Who else was deserving of the award? I'm sure many bands were. But why was this one chosen. It's because of the backstory, not the weekend. Just trying to get that clarified because that's historically how it feels. Does Chuck Henson pick the award winner? Do the 'volunteers' get together and do it? Does one of the bums on the street who follows everyone around get to pick it out of a hat? Just curious?
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Post by thewho on Nov 18, 2021 14:15:53 GMT -6
I’m honestly not sure what that one guys deal was about Mustang winning the Espirit because I didn’t even mention that in my post that they replied to. Good on Mustang for winning that by the way! I wasn’t there but I had heard very nice things about them, as well as Pinecrest who I thought might tie them for the award. If you read every word, you should be able to figure out that what I am talking about had to do not with Mustang simply winning the Espirit de Corps, but the method in which the award itself is presented. What is the criteria? Who picks the band? It is the most flimsy of awards given, but I am unaware of how off-site logistical situations automatically vault a band to winning this esteemed award, named after a legendary director. This has to do with the stated criteria of how an award is given & the criteria and not to discredit the Mustang Band. Could have been ANY other band with the same backstory. Is it the media coverage because they could not secure busses. Is that BOA's angle - free media? Just be honest about it. I've called Espirit De Corps Award winners multiple times & have a pretty good idea what goes into it. I'm just wondering why the announcer says something different, especially in this case. They need to update the script. It's a generation or more old and clearly not how they pick the winner in many cases. It's a political award. Why give it to Marian Catholic in 2007, for example? Because the RCA Dome was closing, not necessarily because Marian outshone the rest. They are a class organization, but the fix was in from the start on that particular 'award'. So who chooses it? The volunteers choose the Espirit Corps. It's not a matter of who. It's whom. Tip: Make sure you treat and respect them nicely. Word spreads very quickly. Now, I understand that this particular award may not hold an esteemed place among the actual results in many views. It's pretty easy to guess which ones would win each year. That's fine. This isn't a result-based award. One of things I've learned over the years is that band has never been about results for 95% of the people. Band has been a wholly positive experience for many years and there have been some absolutely incredible stories that's came out of these moments. It is important to recognize that some bands may face some adverse challenges over the year and come out stronger in the end to make the positive experience happen. That is why BOA goes the distance to recognize these moments otherwise. It is literally in the company mantra: "Music for All’s mission is to create, provide and expand positively life-changing experiences through music for all." How else do you want to recognize these stories before they're lost to time? Have you ever heard of the story where a band from the 4 corners made the GN trip after a last-second fundraiser the week before GN after one of their instructors passed away after saving an entire bus of students? Or a band coming down after Hurricane Sandy in 2012 in support of their community (yes, a fundraiser was ran that exact year at GN.)? These bands and their stories are enshrined with that trophy. I'll leave it others that have met Castronovo to jump in with their anecdotes, but I've met many people that have marched under Castronovo at Chesterton that testified to his character, enthusiasm, and passion for the activity. I'm sure he would be thrilled to have his name on an award like Espirit Corps. And that's why I'm posting. It's frankly quite rude to cast doubt and conspiracy on a band who circumstances was largely out of their control just so they can win Espirit Corps. More than anything, Espirit Corps exists to dissuade any pathetic... complaints like this.
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Post by banddad85 on Nov 18, 2021 14:22:23 GMT -6
If you read every word, you should be able to figure out that what I am talking about had to do not with Mustang simply winning the Espirit de Corps, but the method in which the award itself is presented. What is the criteria? Who picks the band? It is the most flimsy of awards given, but I am unaware of how off-site logistical situations automatically vault a band to winning this esteemed award, named after a legendary director. This has to do with the stated criteria of how an award is given & the criteria and not to discredit the Mustang Band. Could have been ANY other band with the same backstory. Is it the media coverage because they could not secure busses. Is that BOA's angle - free media? Just be honest about it. I've called Espirit De Corps Award winners multiple times & have a pretty good idea what goes into it. I'm just wondering why the announcer says something different, especially in this case. They need to update the script. It's a generation or more old and clearly not how they pick the winner in many cases. It's a political award. Why give it to Marian Catholic in 2007, for example? Because the RCA Dome was closing, not necessarily because Marian outshone the rest. They are a class organization, but the fix was in from the start on that particular 'award'. So who chooses it? The volunteers choose the Espirit Corps. It's not a matter of who. It's whom. Tip: Make sure you treat and respect them nicely. Word spreads very quickly. Now, I understand that this particular award may not hold an esteemed place among the actual results in many views. It's pretty easy to guess which ones would win each year. That's fine. This isn't a result-based award. One of things I've learned over the years is that band has never been about results for 95% of the people. Band has been a wholly positive experience for many years and there have been some absolutely incredible stories that's came out of these moments. It is important to recognize that some bands may face some adverse challenges over the year and come out stronger in the end to make the positive experience happen. That is why BOA goes the distance to recognize these moments otherwise. It is literally in the company mantra: "Music for All’s mission is to create, provide and expand positively life-changing experiences through music for all." How else do you want to recognize these stories before they're lost to time? Have you ever heard of the story where a band from the 4 corners made the GN trip after a last-second fundraiser the week before GN after one of their instructors passed away after saving an entire bus of students? Or a band coming down after Hurricane Sandy in 2012 in support of their community (yes, a fundraiser was ran that exact year at GN.)? These bands and their stories are enshrined with that trophy. I'll leave it others that have met Castronovo to jump in with their anecdotes, but I've met many people that have marched under Castronovo at Chesterton that testified to his character, enthusiasm, and passion for the activity. I'm sure he would be thrilled to have his name on an award like Espirit Corps. And that's why I'm posting. It's frankly quite rude to cast doubt and conspiracy on a band who circumstances was largely out of their control just so they can win Espirit Corps. More than anything, Espirit Corps exists to dissuade any pathetic... complaints like this. Who said I was complaining? You just answered my question. Thank you.
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Post by thewho on Nov 18, 2021 14:25:43 GMT -6
The volunteers choose the Espirit Corps. It's not a matter of who. It's whom. Tip: Make sure you treat and respect them nicely. Word spreads very quickly. Now, I understand that this particular award may not hold an esteemed place among the actual results in many views. It's pretty easy to guess which ones would win each year. That's fine. This isn't a result-based award. One of things I've learned over the years is that band has never been about results for 95% of the people. Band has been a wholly positive experience for many years and there have been some absolutely incredible stories that's came out of these moments. It is important to recognize that some bands may face some adverse challenges over the year and come out stronger in the end to make the positive experience happen. That is why BOA goes the distance to recognize these moments otherwise. It is literally in the company mantra: "Music for All’s mission is to create, provide and expand positively life-changing experiences through music for all." How else do you want to recognize these stories before they're lost to time? Have you ever heard of the story where a band from the 4 corners made the GN trip after a last-second fundraiser the week before GN after one of their instructors passed away after saving an entire bus of students? Or a band coming down after Hurricane Sandy in 2012 in support of their community (yes, a fundraiser was ran that exact year at GN.)? These bands and their stories are enshrined with that trophy. I'll leave it others that have met Castronovo to jump in with their anecdotes, but I've met many people that have marched under Castronovo at Chesterton that testified to his character, enthusiasm, and passion for the activity. I'm sure he would be thrilled to have his name on an award like Espirit Corps. And that's why I'm posting. It's frankly quite rude to cast doubt and conspiracy on a band who circumstances was largely out of their control just so they can win Espirit Corps. More than anything, Espirit Corps exists to dissuade any pathetic... complaints like this. Who said I was complaining? You just answered my question. Thank you. You are not the judge of your own public words. I'd suggest to others, it seems the exact different.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 18, 2021 14:25:51 GMT -6
Considering it’s a spirit award and not based on a measurable performance metric, is specific criteria even necessary? You don’t design a show specifically around winning Esprit de Corps. From my understanding it’s for a band that shows good sportsmanship, spirit, and embodies the positive aspects of the activity. It’s a way of encouraging everyone to act that way. This year, the Mustang band exemplified that spirit through their encouraging behavior and overcoming the challenges they faced getting to GN. In my mind, the award was not just given to the Mustang band, but the entire community that helped get them there. It isn’t always going to be the same situation that earns Esprit de Corps, but it’s always going to be a group that gets noticed for their positive actions and attitude.
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 18, 2021 15:30:20 GMT -6
I love ya'll, but only on the hornrank forums could there be critique over this award LOL dead
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Post by banddad85 on Nov 18, 2021 16:06:05 GMT -6
Who said I was complaining? You just answered my question. Thank you. You are not the judge of your own public words. I'd suggest to others, it seems the exact different. So you didn't answer my exact question which was who decided the award? You did & I greatly appreciate it. I don't know that I believe that this has always been the case, but now it makes perfect sense.
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Post by BPTMN on Nov 18, 2021 23:05:32 GMT -6
so one of the comments was that "someone from CTJ needs to explain" so as a CTJ parent that was there, let me give you what is the full story since you appear to believe that someone is hiding something - believe it or not - but it is what it is. On Oct 14th, the NEISD decided that all out of state travel teams would be Covid tested prior to departing the state. this would impact CTJ and Reagan bands. while there is a lot of political teeth gnashing that went on (I will spare you those details) in the end the testing was dropped because if a student had a false positive, there was no time to retest prior to Wednesday mornings flight to Indy. as part of the discussion with the district, there was a commitment that if a child tested positive, they would be quarantined (rooms dedicated to that in rooming plan) and if their parents could not get there timely, they would have a chaperone and that we would get them home. as you cannot fly with known Covid, we had parents and even our director that committed to making the 18 hour drive to get them back to San Antonio. CTJ band has had zero positive Covid students all season. CTJ performed late Friday for BOA SA and was working all day Saturday and performed Finals on Saturday. the kids were expected to study on Sunday as they would be out of class all week and they completed UIL full retreat on Tuesday evening and went home to pack. They had a 5:am call time at the school on Wednesday morning. they got to Indy they checked in, had dinner and practiced. they performed Thursday night as the last band at 10:30pm. they had practice on Friday and at that point we had kids that were not feeling well. if you are not aware, Music Travel employed a physician to serve all the MTC travelers. this was a M.D. that traveled with the Boston Crusaders this summer. there were tests done, all where negative but it was suspected that we had some kids with a food positioning or some other food borne illness. The impacted kids where miserable - hard to march and focus when dealing with that - if you have ever had food illnesses - you know what I am talking about. On Friday, the kids normally would go to the stadium to watch and cheer on other programs. Most, if not all went back to their rooms to rest and be close to a bathroom. Saturday practice was cut short, kids were sent back to the rooms after semi-finals to rest. The kids where given a chance to choose to stay in the stands for retreat or go back to their rooms to rest or do homework. With so many still not feeling well or just plain exhausted, they opted to go back and rest/pack for their 6am wake up call. they got much needed rest and some spent their time catching up on a weeks worth of homework. The flights were delayed on Sunday due to the weather and the ground crew for a charter was a loaner from another airline and their planes are a priority - not the charter. in 2020, CTJ made it through the UIL season and still put on a full show because they took the steps needed to ensure the safety of our kids. The CTJ directors went back to that with the sick kids - rest, fluids and let them heal. for those that felt that they should not have done UIL State in a year a trip to Indy was planned - they made it through the pandemic to win a UIL State Title that they where proud to defend. in 2016 CTJ bowed out of UIL state to go to Indy and it is frowned upon to do that too often. It was never the intent of the director, the kids, or the program to give ANYONE the impression that we somehow felt that the placement did not warrant their attendance. so - NOW - you have the rest of the story. this was not CTJ being arrogant and/or entitled, this was just a bunch of kids that will never eat sausage at the Punch Bowl Social ever again. so cut them some slack. as for questioning the leadership of the director and his motive, I have known Jarrett for 11 years and have trusted him with my kids. Everything he does is about guiding our kids and making them better adults. His goal it to always put on a show for the crowd regardless of the scoring placements. it is about leaving it all on the field, but the safety and well-being of the kids - HIS kids, always comes first. Wow, thank you for the clarification! I hope this is able to shut down all of those nasty rumors. That really stinks for the kids- I sincerely hope they felt better quickly! They were phenomenal Saturday night and I can’t imagine putting a product like that on the field feeling anything less than fantastic. I’m glad the CTJ parent set the record straight. Hebron band parent here. CJT band members were some of the first to congratulate Hebron. My son was gushing over meeting the CTJ kids. They completely supported our win and displayed perfect sportsmanship.
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Post by banddad85 on Nov 19, 2021 14:36:39 GMT -6
Considering it’s a spirit award and not based on a measurable performance metric, is specific criteria even necessary? You don’t design a show specifically around winning Esprit de Corps. From my understanding it’s for a band that shows good sportsmanship, spirit, and embodies the positive aspects of the activity. It’s a way of encouraging everyone to act that way. This year, the Mustang band exemplified that spirit through their encouraging behavior and overcoming the challenges they faced getting to GN. In my mind, the award was not just given to the Mustang band, but the entire community that helped get them there. It isn’t always going to be the same situation that earns Esprit de Corps, but it’s always going to be a group that gets noticed for their positive actions and attitude. No, it is compared to all of the other bands performing that weekend. There is a script that is read to the audience that describes the criteria in which a band is selected. I did not realize that volunteers who had a direct pulse on the backstory (and will defend their actions on here) were already likely biased heading into the event. Just like Marian Catholic won in dubious fashion in 2007 or the Hawaii Band just magically won in their first appearance to BOA, I am rolling laughing at the ease in which we can find how these bands just magically win (out of 100+ bands). Why is it so obvious? I don't think anyone is really paying attention to who is behaving/not behaving since bands go through the same process to enter/exit the stadium. Some who have won traditionally do not even stay in the building. They show up, warm-up, perform and leave. And they don't really talk or interact with the BOA volunteers. I don't know that I would not have nominated Mustang High School, but I can find better backstories out there that were missed ---- if that was the criteria being used.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 19, 2021 15:08:19 GMT -6
Considering it’s a spirit award and not based on a measurable performance metric, is specific criteria even necessary? You don’t design a show specifically around winning Esprit de Corps. From my understanding it’s for a band that shows good sportsmanship, spirit, and embodies the positive aspects of the activity. It’s a way of encouraging everyone to act that way. This year, the Mustang band exemplified that spirit through their encouraging behavior and overcoming the challenges they faced getting to GN. In my mind, the award was not just given to the Mustang band, but the entire community that helped get them there. It isn’t always going to be the same situation that earns Esprit de Corps, but it’s always going to be a group that gets noticed for their positive actions and attitude. No, it is compared to all of the other bands performing that weekend. There is a script that is read to the audience that describes the criteria in which a band is selected. I did not realize that volunteers who had a direct pulse on the backstory (and will defend their actions on here) were already likely biased heading into the event. Just like Marian Catholic won in dubious fashion in 2007 or the Hawaii Band just magically won in their first appearance to BOA, I am rolling laughing at the ease in which we can find how these bands just magically win (out of 100+ bands). Why is it so obvious? I don't think anyone is really paying attention to who is behaving/not behaving since bands go through the same process to enter/exit the stadium. Some who have won traditionally do not even stay in the building. They show up, warm-up, perform and leave. And they don't really talk or interact with the BOA volunteers. I don't know that I would not have nominated Mustang High School, but I can find better backstories out there that were missed ---- if that was the criteria being used. I’m genuinely so sorry that you’re upset about high schoolers winning a spirit award. Get well soon
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 19, 2021 16:20:16 GMT -6
"It's a gesture, dear, not a recipe."
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Post by banddad85 on Nov 19, 2021 18:01:05 GMT -6
No, it is compared to all of the other bands performing that weekend. There is a script that is read to the audience that describes the criteria in which a band is selected. I did not realize that volunteers who had a direct pulse on the backstory (and will defend their actions on here) were already likely biased heading into the event. Just like Marian Catholic won in dubious fashion in 2007 or the Hawaii Band just magically won in their first appearance to BOA, I am rolling laughing at the ease in which we can find how these bands just magically win (out of 100+ bands). Why is it so obvious? I don't think anyone is really paying attention to who is behaving/not behaving since bands go through the same process to enter/exit the stadium. Some who have won traditionally do not even stay in the building. They show up, warm-up, perform and leave. And they don't really talk or interact with the BOA volunteers. I don't know that I would not have nominated Mustang High School, but I can find better backstories out there that were missed ---- if that was the criteria being used. I’m genuinely so sorry that you’re upset about high schoolers winning a spirit award. Get well soon I have had fun debating this topic. I think every band deserved the Espirit de Corps - at least every band that showed up & tried their best. I just wonder why a transportation situation that was covered by others culminated in a band winning an award over 99 others. It isn't to take away from the band deserving of the award at all, but the method in which these are decided. Clearly, most people in the know knew about this event via social media. Then the band wins? If BOA is listening, they should divide the spirit award into two awards: The Al C. Espirit de Corps Award for actual on-site behavior & sportsmanship & a brand new award: The Spirit Airlines' SPIRIT AWARD for bands who fight through adversity to arrive to their prelims performance time or to the event as a whole. I'm sure they can find two worthy programs out of 100 each year. Perhaps they can even rake in some dough. Always looking to help!
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Post by Allohak on Nov 19, 2021 18:07:29 GMT -6
I’m genuinely so sorry that you’re upset about high schoolers winning a spirit award. Get well soon I have had fun debating this topic. I think every band deserved the Espirit de Corps - at least every band that showed up & tried their best. I just wonder why a transportation situation that was covered by others culminated in a band winning an award over 99 others. It isn't to take away from the band deserving of the award at all, but the method in which these are decided. Clearly, most people in the know knew about this event via social media. Then the band wins? If BOA is listening, they should divide the spirit award into two awards: The Al C. Espirit de Corps Award for actual on-site behavior & sportsmanship & a brand new award: The Spirit Airlines' SPIRIT AWARD for bands who fight through adversity to arrive to their prelims performance time or to the event as a whole. I'm sure they can find two worthy programs out of 100 each year. Perhaps they can even rake in some dough. Always looking to help! Stop. It has been clearly illustrated by multiple posters in this thread that Mustang was fully deserving of this recognition even without considering the transportation issues. Lack of reading comprehension is no grounds for doubling down on a poor take.
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Post by elsie on Nov 19, 2021 18:10:57 GMT -6
Not sure who invited this guy to the party!
Mustang chaperones and students were great! Very comforting for one of our bands that unfortunately missed out on making semifinals. Lots of words of encouragement and lots of love was received from them. I’m not a representative of the school but I had the luck to sit nearby them.
I love every band here but something about Mustang felt extra-warm, especially the way they comforted those kiddos and parents who were out of semifinals. Lovely group of people. Lovely spirit.
I hate to throw shade around but I know there was one group of parents who guaranteed didn’t sit on their hands while other bands performed and gave every single band a very warm ovation, and that was Mustang.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Nov 21, 2021 23:09:39 GMT -6
I have had fun debating this topic. I think every band deserved the Espirit de Corps - at least every band that showed up & tried their best. I just wonder why a transportation situation that was covered by others culminated in a band winning an award over 99 others. It isn't to take away from the band deserving of the award at all, but the method in which these are decided. Clearly, most people in the know knew about this event via social media. Then the band wins? If BOA is listening, they should divide the spirit award into two awards: The Al C. Espirit de Corps Award for actual on-site behavior & sportsmanship & a brand new award: The Spirit Airlines' SPIRIT AWARD for bands who fight through adversity to arrive to their prelims performance time or to the event as a whole. I'm sure they can find two worthy programs out of 100 each year. Perhaps they can even rake in some dough. Always looking to help! Stop. It has been clearly illustrated by multiple posters in this thread that Mustang was fully deserving of this recognition even without considering the transportation issues. Lack of reading comprehension is no grounds for doubling down on a poor take. Wondering what the odds might be that banddad85 is a reincarnated version of a recently banned member of this forum.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 22, 2021 6:28:45 GMT -6
Stop. It has been clearly illustrated by multiple posters in this thread that Mustang was fully deserving of this recognition even without considering the transportation issues. Lack of reading comprehension is no grounds for doubling down on a poor take. Wondering what the odds might be that banddad85 is a reincarnated version of a recently banned member of this forum. Pretty low. If it was that individual, the Vista Ridge Rose Parade invite would be the target of scorn (worse than this).
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Post by Allohak on Nov 22, 2021 6:59:39 GMT -6
Wondering what the odds might be that banddad85 is a reincarnated version of a recently banned member of this forum. Pretty low. If it was that individual, the Vista Ridge Rose Parade invite would be the target of scorn (worse than this). Not THAT recently banned poster
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Post by LeanderMomma on Nov 22, 2021 8:38:46 GMT -6
Wondering what the odds might be that banddad85 is a reincarnated version of a recently banned member of this forum. Pretty low. If it was that individual, the Vista Ridge Rose Parade invite would be the target of scorn (worse than this). Except that it fits a pattern. Pick a band out of the blue and start nitpicking in a bizarre way.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Nov 22, 2021 8:39:52 GMT -6
Pretty low. If it was that individual, the Vista Ridge Rose Parade invite would be the target of scorn (worse than this). Not THAT recently banned poster And yeah, I was actually thinking it could easily be one of *three* former members.
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Post by Shroom on Nov 22, 2021 9:00:37 GMT -6
It's probably just a new person. Unfortunately rhe world is filled toxic people, and since this forum has like doubled in size over this past season it's inevitable that at least some of them will find their way into here.
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