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Post by boahistorybuff on Aug 28, 2022 10:37:50 GMT -6
I guess I am firmly in the preseason/first competitions getting close BOA geek phase. Please feel free to comment and add to this thread. These are all rhetorical questions by the way.
- For those who may be new to BOA, you will absolutely want to watch the San Antonio Super Regional. It is and has been for a long time the best and most competitive BOA regional. Vandegrift has won a Grand National Title but not a win at San Antonio. Can they pull that off this year?
- Can Norwin pull a win at the New Jersey Regional to make them have an even 30 regional titles (still the most of any other band)? A win would also continue Norwin's streak of having at least one regional title every decade going back to the 1970s (they have yet to win one in the '20s).
- Or can a New Jersey band finally win a BOA Regional? New Jersey has yet to produce a BOA Regional Champion.
- Does a New Mexico band win a BOA Regional (looking at the Las Cruces and Flagstaff Regionals here)? No band from New Mexico has ever won a BOA Regional Title either.
- Broken Arrow has won every single BOA Regional they have competed in going all the way back to 2007. Does that streak continue? I am going to say yes unless Blue Springs pulls off a major upset.
- Avon and Carmel have been either first or second at the BOA Indy Super Regional every year since 2009. Does that streak continue? Again, I am going to say yes.
- This year, Grand Nationals does not have the heavy hitters from Texas in attendance. Does Avon, Carmel and Broken Arrow land in the top three again? or does a band (like Tarpon Springs) slide in and knock one of those bands down to fourth (thinking like Blue Springs did in 2018)?
- Since Avon's threepeat in 2010, they have either been second or third at every Grand Nationals since. Can they finally nab a fourth GN Title?
- Broken Arrow has four Grand National Titles under their belt. None of them have been back to back. Can they get a back to back win at nationals?
- Can Carmel nab their sixth Grand National Title? This would put them just one title away from the record of seven set 22 years ago by Marian Catholic.
- Both M&G Johnson and Southlake Carroll are two Texas bands that impressed us last season. This will be the first Grand Nationals for both bands. Can one or both of them make finals?
- Fishers and Brownsburg are two Indiana bands that have been on the up and up the last several years. Both have done well in GN Semi Finals the last few years but have yet to make Finals. Can one or both of these bands make finals?
- Can American Fork make GN Finals? Their one and only appearance in GN Finals came way back in 1995 (14 bands were selected that year which helped). They are a much stronger band these days, however competition is much much tougher. If they do make finals, the 27-year gap between finals appearances would be the longest.
- Archbishop Alter has been close, but has yet to win the GN Class A Title. Can they win it this year? or does a Kentucky band (like Murray) win it yet again?
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Post by Shroom on Aug 28, 2022 11:20:32 GMT -6
I'd definitely put Centerville on the bands to watch for the 10th-12th range of finals this year after 2021. They were in hands reach of bands like Franklin and O'Fallon last year come semis.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 28, 2022 13:34:57 GMT -6
My take from all that is that Broken Arrow, Carmel and Avon need to make regular trips to San Antonio, DFW, Houston and Austin so they can flex their muscles a bit and go head to head with some bands that can challenge them.
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Post by coleeich on Aug 28, 2022 14:20:11 GMT -6
I am interested to see how Mustang does at Grand Nationals. I feel like they have a lot of momentum right now, so I am excited to see how it plays out! So many great bubble bands. I hope we see a couple upsets!
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Post by paddy on Aug 28, 2022 15:02:26 GMT -6
My take from all that is that Broken Arrow, Carmel and Avon need to make regular trips to San Antonio, DFW, Houston and Austin so they can flex their muscles a bit and go head to head with some bands that can challenge them. And to do that they have to opt out of their state competition process. I just don’t see them doing that on a regular basis.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Aug 28, 2022 15:24:48 GMT -6
My take from all that is that Broken Arrow, Carmel and Avon need to make regular trips to San Antonio, DFW, Houston and Austin so they can flex their muscles a bit and go head to head with some bands that can challenge them. I thought Texas revoked Carmel's passport after they won San Antonio 20 years ago. LOL
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Post by boahistorybuff on Aug 28, 2022 15:26:56 GMT -6
I'd definitely put Centerville on the bands to watch for the 10th-12th range of finals this year after 2021. They were in hands reach of bands like Franklin and O'Fallon last year come semis. I would absolutely love to see Centerville make finals again.
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Post by josephbandfan on Aug 28, 2022 15:49:09 GMT -6
My take from all that is that Broken Arrow, Carmel and Avon need to make regular trips to San Antonio, DFW, Houston and Austin so they can flex their muscles a bit and go head to head with some bands that can challenge them. I thought Texas revoked Carmel's passport after they won San Antonio 20 years ago. LOL I'd love to see them try and take the Armadillo now! But really, our arms are open. I'll personally pay for any band's entire trip.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 16:33:57 GMT -6
My take from all that is that Broken Arrow, Carmel and Avon need to make regular trips to San Antonio, DFW, Houston and Austin so they can flex their muscles a bit and go head to head with some bands that can challenge them. No need to do that when thy typically beat them at Nats.... They can flex.
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Post by paddy on Aug 28, 2022 17:17:21 GMT -6
I'd definitely put Centerville on the bands to watch for the 10th-12th range of finals this year after 2021. They were in hands reach of bands like Franklin and O'Fallon last year come semis. I would absolutely love to see Centerville make finals again. I’m hearing noises out of Centerville that this year’s show was built to be address some of the criticism from/play to BOA judges.
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Post by paddy on Aug 28, 2022 17:19:31 GMT -6
My take from all that is that Broken Arrow, Carmel and Avon need to make regular trips to San Antonio, DFW, Houston and Austin so they can flex their muscles a bit and go head to head with some bands that can challenge them. No need to do that when thy typically beat them at Nats.... They can flex. Since you are new here you clearly haven’t been informed that there is usually a band in the 15-20 range at SA that would totally win Grand Nats but never go. 😎
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 28, 2022 18:08:13 GMT -6
No need to do that when thy typically beat them at Nats.... They can flex. Since you are new here you clearly haven’t been informed that there is usually a band in the 15-20 range at SA that would totally win Grand Nats but never go. 😎 Can’t tell if this is sarcasm, but if they’re placing 15-20 at SA consistently, the odds of them winning GN isn’t very high.
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Post by Shroom on Aug 28, 2022 18:26:05 GMT -6
Since you are new here you clearly haven’t been informed that there is usually a band in the 15-20 range at SA that would totally win Grand Nats but never go. 😎 Can’t tell if this is sarcasm, but if they’re placing 15-20 at SA consistently, the odds of them winning GN isn’t very high. I'm sure it's just hyperbole and referencing that people tend to hype up mid tier Texas bands. I will say too that it's kind of ridiculous to expect anyone to make that hike down to SA who isn't from Texas. Texas gets a lot of benefits from being larger than France, but there are pretty obvious downsides to it too. I mean if a big Texas band like FloMo isn't willing to go to SA and Nats in the same year, why would a band like BA (or any other Midwestern band, especially mid sized ones like Castle or Franklin) miss out on the chance of a finals appearance at Nats for a chance at a finals spot in a SR? Like it'd be nice to see Carmel come to SA for a change but it isn't really reasonable, just as the same as it isn't reasonable for Texas bands to make the trip up for either of the other two SRs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 19:10:46 GMT -6
No need to do that when thy typically beat them at Nats.... They can flex. Since you are new here you clearly haven’t been informed that there is usually a band in the 15-20 range at SA that would totally win Grand Nats but never go. 😎 New to this forum, but not new to HS Bands... we've been to every GN finals since 1996. Lived in Houston TX for 5 years .... attended many of the Regionals at Rice University ... but have also attended over 50 regionals in TX since around 1998. Know quite a bit about the Bands in TX, no doubt they are very entertaining and high caliber units. But...Just in the past 10 years Avon, Carmel and Broken Arrow have scored higher than: Cedar Ridge Hebron Keller Leander SF Austin Vista Ridge Cedar Park Flower Mound James Bowie Round Rock CT Johnson LD Bell Marcus Reagan Woodlands some many times.... So they have proven themselves against TX Bands... that's all. They deserve the same level respect. That's all.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Aug 28, 2022 19:22:46 GMT -6
Can’t tell if this is sarcasm, but if they’re placing 15-20 at SA consistently, the odds of them winning GN isn’t very high. dI mean if a big Texas band like FloMo isn't willing to go to SA and Nats in the same year, why would a band like BA (or any other Midwestern band, especially mid sized ones like Castle or Franklin) miss out on the chance of a finals appearance at Nats for a chance at a finals spot in a SR? If I remember and someone can correct me, but someone said that their school board disapproved FloMo trip to SA. But I don't remember if they said if it was for Covid concern or something else tho? So that's the reason they didn't go cuz normally they would have done an Regional, SR, and Nats like previous years.
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Post by Shroom on Aug 28, 2022 19:30:04 GMT -6
dI mean if a big Texas band like FloMo isn't willing to go to SA and Nats in the same year, why would a band like BA (or any other Midwestern band, especially mid sized ones like Castle or Franklin) miss out on the chance of a finals appearance at Nats for a chance at a finals spot in a SR? If I remember and someone can correct me, but someone said that their school board disapproved FloMo trip to SA. But I don't remember if they said if it was for Covid concern or something else tho? So that's the reason they didn't go cuz normally they would have done an Regional, SR, and Nats like previous years. I had heard that it was due to cost, which was why I made that statement, since them not being able to make the trip due to cost would make it even more a burden on non Texas bands. If that's not the case though, then I am incorrect in that statement. I will still stand that the cost of travel to go to SA and Nats for a non Texas/Indy band and/or expectation to miss Nats for SA is still kind of misplaced though.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Aug 28, 2022 19:45:37 GMT -6
Since you are new here you clearly haven’t been informed that there is usually a band in the 15-20 range at SA that would totally win Grand Nats but never go. 😎 New to this forum, but not new to HS Bands... we've been to every GN finals since 1996. Lived in Houston TX for 5 years .... attended many of the Regionals at Rice University ... but have also attended over 50 regionals in TX since around 1998. Know quite a bit about the Bands in TX, no doubt they are very entertaining and high caliber units. But...Just in the past 10 years Avon, Carmel and Broken Arrow have scored higher than: Cedar Ridge Hebron Keller Leander SF Austin Vista Ridge Cedar Park Flower Mound James Bowie Round Rock CT Johnson LD Bell Marcus Reagan Woodlands some many times.... So they have proven themselves against TX Bands... that's all. They deserve the same level respect. That's all. Let me say welcome to these forums. Mad respect to anyone that has attended Grand Nationals every year since 1996. I certainly can not say that (I have resorted to watching the streaming services). You will find a lot of interesting stuff and info on these forums. The Texas vs Midwest or Texas vs Indiana or Texas vs Carmel/Avon/Broken Arrow debates have been ongoing for years. Some of us get a little overly passionate but it's all just good fun.
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Post by paddy on Aug 28, 2022 20:06:50 GMT -6
Since you are new here you clearly haven’t been informed that there is usually a band in the 15-20 range at SA that would totally win Grand Nats but never go. 😎 New to this forum, but not new to HS Bands... we've been to every GN finals since 1996. Lived in Houston TX for 5 years .... attended many of the Regionals at Rice University ... but have also attended over 50 regionals in TX since around 1998. Know quite a bit about the Bands in TX, no doubt they are very entertaining and high caliber units. But...Just in the past 10 years Avon, Carmel and Broken Arrow have scored higher than: Cedar Ridge Hebron Keller Leander SF Austin Vista Ridge Cedar Park Flower Mound James Bowie Round Rock CT Johnson LD Bell Marcus Reagan Woodlands some many times.... So they have proven themselves against TX Bands... that's all. They deserve the same level respect. That's all. Simmer down sparky and catch the joking sarcastic manner of the post. I even included the smart ass sunglasses wearing emoji.
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Post by paddy on Aug 28, 2022 20:07:49 GMT -6
Since you are new here you clearly haven’t been informed that there is usually a band in the 15-20 range at SA that would totally win Grand Nats but never go. 😎 Can’t tell if this is sarcasm, but if they’re placing 15-20 at SA consistently, the odds of them winning GN isn’t very high. I am composed of 90% sarcasm. Most of the time I post here to entertain myself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 20:43:53 GMT -6
Can’t tell if this is sarcasm, but if they’re placing 15-20 at SA consistently, the odds of them winning GN isn’t very high. I am composed of 90% sarcasm. Most of the time I post here to entertain myself. ah... that explains a whole lot.. sarcasm is often followed by a defense for or a explanation of its use.. I do not immediately assume sarcasm within a forum about HS Bands.. but, there you go. Also, due to my very old age of nearing the 60 mark... emojis are very frequently overlooked by me. Aside from that... i don't mind reflecting on my days in TX or attending the shows...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 20:50:16 GMT -6
New to this forum, but not new to HS Bands... we've been to every GN finals since 1996. Lived in Houston TX for 5 years .... attended many of the Regionals at Rice University ... but have also attended over 50 regionals in TX since around 1998. Know quite a bit about the Bands in TX, no doubt they are very entertaining and high caliber units. But...Just in the past 10 years Avon, Carmel and Broken Arrow have scored higher than: Cedar Ridge Hebron Keller Leander SF Austin Vista Ridge Cedar Park Flower Mound James Bowie Round Rock CT Johnson LD Bell Marcus Reagan Woodlands some many times.... So they have proven themselves against TX Bands... that's all. They deserve the same level respect. That's all. Let me say welcome to these forums. Mad respect to anyone that has attended Grand Nationals every year since 1996. I certainly can not say that (I have resorted to watching the streaming services). You will find a lot of interesting stuff and info on these forums. The Texas vs Midwest or Texas vs Indiana or Texas vs Carmel/Avon/Broken Arrow debates have been ongoing for years. Some of us get a little overly passionate but it's all just good fun. No loyalties here... have volunteered at BOA during the 90's at the Atlanta Super Regional... we're just fans that did band in HS and know the importance that music plays in the development of young minds... and the safety it provides in many environments. We attend the shows because we are able to.. and we can give back. Based in GA we also attend many of the local high school shows...simply because the activity is WAY TOO IMPORTANT to go without support of communities. Some of our best memories are of watching Lassiter and Tarpon Springs battle it out... the level that kids are rising to must be celebrated always... with.. or.. without competition... BOA... UIL.. whatever the course it takes.
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Post by Shroom on Aug 28, 2022 20:53:04 GMT -6
I am composed of 90% sarcasm. Most of the time I post here to entertain myself. ah... that explains a whole lot.. sarcasm is often followed by a defense for or a explanation of its use.. I do not immediately assume sarcasm within a forum about HS Bands.. but, there you go. Also, due to my very old age of nearing the 60 mark... emojis are very frequently overlooked by me. Aside from that... i don't mind reflecting on my days in TX or attending the shows... I've been stalking this forum for about 2 or 3 years now and I can confidently say that a solid 30-40% of things said here are done tongue-in-cheek. Don't take anything anyone says here too seriously and you'll enjoy it here a lot more.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 20:58:27 GMT -6
ah... that explains a whole lot.. sarcasm is often followed by a defense for or a explanation of its use.. I do not immediately assume sarcasm within a forum about HS Bands.. but, there you go. Also, due to my very old age of nearing the 60 mark... emojis are very frequently overlooked by me. Aside from that... i don't mind reflecting on my days in TX or attending the shows... I've been stalking this forum for about 2 or 3 years now and I can confidently say that a solid 30-40% of things said here are done tongue-in-cheek. Don't take anything anyone says here too seriously and you'll enjoy it here a lot more. sarcasm does not make me enjoy things any less.... that's not a worry for me
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Post by ilikeguard on Aug 28, 2022 21:33:50 GMT -6
Definitely will want to follow Grain Valley at GN. After a downward trend, the band came back with a vengeance in 2021, taking the class title and an upper half placement at St. Louis. This will be their first Grand Nationals. With Tarpon in attendance, the AA title and exhibition slot are virtually out of reach, but they’re easily in contention for a silver or bronze medal. While Marian Catholic is a late season pusher, Grain Valley, too, saves the best for last, being undervalued in the early season but delivering an incredibly solid late season product. With an all-star GN medalist design team, this AA Kansas City band should be an easy semifinalist, the third in history for the Show Me State. I think they’ll have a few consistent medalists to overcome, but barring any drastic changes from last year, I see the Marching Eagles taking home some hardware this season.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 29, 2022 5:33:55 GMT -6
Dang my comment about Avon, Carmel and BA coming to Texas really stirred up a ruckus. 🤣
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 29, 2022 5:34:56 GMT -6
My take from all that is that Broken Arrow, Carmel and Avon need to make regular trips to San Antonio, DFW, Houston and Austin so they can flex their muscles a bit and go head to head with some bands that can challenge them. No need to do that when thy typically beat them at Nats.... They can flex. so why don’t they? 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 29, 2022 5:41:10 GMT -6
My take from all that is that Broken Arrow, Carmel and Avon need to make regular trips to San Antonio, DFW, Houston and Austin so they can flex their muscles a bit and go head to head with some bands that can challenge them. And to do that they have to opt out of their state competition process. I just don’t see them doing that on a regular basis. well not every one of those contests is during their state competition. They can come to BOA Austin or DFW. I’d love to see it honestly. I especially would love to see Broken Arrow visit. Love those kids!!!!
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 29, 2022 5:42:42 GMT -6
Since you are new here you clearly haven’t been informed that there is usually a band in the 15-20 range at SA that would totally win Grand Nats but never go. 😎 Can’t tell if this is sarcasm, but if they’re placing 15-20 at SA consistently, the odds of them winning GN isn’t very high. Paddy has a doctorate in sarcasm my friend.
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 29, 2022 6:06:35 GMT -6
I am composed of 90% sarcasm. Most of the time I post here to entertain myself. ah... that explains a whole lot.. sarcasm is often followed by a defense for or a explanation of its use.. I do not immediately assume sarcasm within a forum about HS Bands.. but, there you go. Also, due to my very old age of nearing the 60 mark... emojis are very frequently overlooked by me. Aside from that... i don't mind reflecting on my days in TX or attending the shows... Nearing 60 isn't an excuse! I'm almost there and we know there are regulars on here that are older than me.
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 29, 2022 6:08:59 GMT -6
Dang my comment about Avon, Carmel and BA coming to Texas really stirred up a ruckus. 🤣 Well, you ARE the resident rabble-rouser!
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