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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 29, 2022 6:19:29 GMT -6
Dang my comment about Avon, Carmel and BA coming to Texas really stirred up a ruckus. 🤣 Well, you ARE the resident rabble-rouser!  Lol absolutely! |
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 29, 2022 7:08:43 GMT -6
ah... that explains a whole lot.. sarcasm is often followed by a defense for or a explanation of its use.. I do not immediately assume sarcasm within a forum about HS Bands.. but, there you go. Also, due to my very old age of nearing the 60 mark... emojis are very frequently overlooked by me. Aside from that... i don't mind reflecting on my days in TX or attending the shows... Nearing 60 isn't an excuse! I'm almost there and we know there are regulars on here that are older than me. there are? 😁😜😘 |
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 29, 2022 7:54:11 GMT -6
Nearing 60 isn't an excuse! I'm almost there and we know there are regulars on here that are older than me. there are? 😁😜😘 Not many, but... |
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Post by paddy on Aug 29, 2022 8:02:25 GMT -6
And to do that they have to opt out of their state competition process. I just don’t see them doing that on a regular basis. well not every one of those contests is during their state competition. They can come to BOA Austin or DFW. I’d love to see it honestly. I especially would love to see Broken Arrow visit. Love those kids!!!! Austin is the same day of Avon's contest. And Carmel isn't blowing the weekend for an early season Regional in Texas. DFW is October 8 and during fall break and close to ISSMA regionals. Unless ISSMA goes away from a 3 weekend state competition format it is tough to travel out of state without skipping state competition. |
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Post by paddy on Aug 29, 2022 8:03:35 GMT -6
I am composed of 90% sarcasm. Most of the time I post here to entertain myself. ah... that explains a whole lot.. sarcasm is often followed by a defense for or a explanation of its use.. I do not immediately assume sarcasm within a forum about HS Bands.. but, there you go. Also, due to my very old age of nearing the 60 mark... emojis are very frequently overlooked by me. Aside from that... i don't mind reflecting on my days in TX or attending the shows... FYI your "." button appears to be stuck. |
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Post by paddy on Aug 29, 2022 8:05:35 GMT -6
Can’t tell if this is sarcasm, but if they’re placing 15-20 at SA consistently, the odds of them winning GN isn’t very high. Paddy has a doctorate in sarcasm my friend. I have even been extensively published. |
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Post by boahistorybuff on Aug 29, 2022 8:49:57 GMT -6
So yes in recent years/decades there have been bands that have travelled a long distance to go to a BOA Regional. Carmel went to SA in 2002 and Avon went in 2017. Carmel went to BOA Southern California in 2017 and Cedar Ridge went there in 2014. BA also went to Florida in 2019 and a few Texas bands did go to Atlanta when it was a super regional a few years back. The original concept of the regional championships was that bands from around a specific geographic region attended the regional championships. That is why they used to call them the Eastern Regional or the Midwest Regional or the Southwest Regional, etc. So a band from Indiana was likely only to attend a regional in the Midwest or Mideast and a Texas band would attend the Southwest Regional. I remember finding it odd back in 1990 when Union (OK) traveled to the BOA Eastern Regional (Morgantown WV); same thing in 1991 when Westerville South (OH) went to the Southeast Regional (although that was not too far of a distance for them). During the course of the 1990s, as BOA added more and more regional championships, they dropped the geographic reference and just went on to naming them after the host city or metro region. With so many regionals to choose from now, I can see that some bands may periodically want to expand their horizons. I think for the most part, a regional championship is just that, bands compete from a specific region of the country. Texas is of course a huge state with a ton of bands, so of course their regionals will be dominated by Texas bands. Sorry for the 'back in my day' reference, but when I was in the activity, we had three big championship competitions that we attended: state, regionals and nationals. Only Michigan bands competed at the state championships. The BOA Mideast Regional (Toledo or Akron) as it was known then typically had bands from Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana and Illinois. Grand Nationals of course had bands from across the country.
So my point is that the original concept of the BOA Regionals was so that bands would not have to travel halfway across the country to attend a BOA competition (aside from Grand Nationals of course). This may of course open the debate as to why not have Grand Nationals in a different location from time to time. They did that back in the 1980s. But I believe that as Grand Nationals expanded with many more bands attending more advanced planning was needed, so it was logistically easier to have them in the same location each year. Obviously, the US is a big country and no matter where GN is held there are going to be bands that will have a long distance trip. In 1990, the population center (not geographic) center of the US was in eastern MO. At the time, St Louis did not have an indoor dome (that was built in 1995); Indy did and it was not too far from that population center. Also, in the early 1990s, not many western bands participated in BOA. So Indy was the logical choice. In 2020, the geographic center of the US has shifted more to southern/southwestern Missouri. So perhaps that gives a little more validity to asking why not host GN in St Louis, or Kansas City or Tulsa. I suspect at this stage; Indy just has much better means of accommodating a Grand National Championships. I suspect that with the opening of Lucas Oil Stadium and the City of Indianapolis's commitment to accommodating the BOA and DCI championships, the deal has been sealed.
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Post by bandisjoy on Aug 29, 2022 8:50:03 GMT -6
Definitely will want to follow Grain Valley at GN. After a downward trend, the band came back with a vengeance in 2021, taking the class title and an upper half placement at St. Louis. This will be their first Grand Nationals. With Tarpon in attendance, the AA title and exhibition slot are virtually out of reach, but they’re easily in contention for a silver or bronze medal. While Marian Catholic is a late season pusher, Grain Valley, too, saves the best for last, being undervalued in the early season but delivering an incredibly solid late season product. With an all-star GN medalist design team, this AA Kansas City band should be an easy semifinalist, the third in history for the Show Me State. I think they’ll have a few consistent medalists to overcome, but barring any drastic changes from last year, I see the Marching Eagles taking home some hardware this season. Have you gotten to see them in any rehearsals or public performances? Or any other of the Missouri bands that you're probably cheering for?  I'm certainly looking forward to the 2A match-ups in the SRs and GN! |
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Post by philodemus on Aug 29, 2022 9:25:36 GMT -6
- Archbishop Alter has been close, but has yet to win the GN Class A Title. Can they win it this year? or does a Kentucky band (like Murray) win it yet again? I have seen a bit of video of most of the usual Kentucky suspects, but not Archbishop Alter. Without seeing Alter I suppose I should reserve judgement, but I will say, they'd better bring the big guns. Murray has 110 on the field. You can overcome size with excellence, but if the big guy is also excellent? That's a steep hill to climb. |
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Post by paddy on Aug 29, 2022 9:35:15 GMT -6
So yes in recent years/decades there have been bands that have travelled a long distance to go to a BOA Regional. Carmel went to SA in 2002 and Avon went in 2017. Carmel went to BOA Southern California in 2017 and Cedar Ridge went there in 2014. BA also went to Florida in 2019 and a few Texas bands did go to Atlanta when it was a super regional a few years back. The original concept of the regional championships was that bands from around a specific geographic region attended the regional championships. That is why they used to call them the Eastern Regional or the Midwest Regional or the Southwest Regional, etc. So a band from Indiana was likely only to attend a regional in the Midwest or Mideast and a Texas band would attend the Southwest Regional. I remember finding it odd back in 1990 when Union (OK) traveled to the BOA Eastern Regional (Morgantown WV); same thing in 1991 when Westerville South (OH) went to the Southeast Regional (although that was not too far of a distance for them). During the course of the 1990s, as BOA added more and more regional championships, they dropped the geographic reference and just went on to naming them after the host city or metro region. With so many regionals to choose from now, I can see that some bands may periodically want to expand their horizons. I think for the most part, a regional championship is just that, bands compete from a specific region of the country. Texas is of course a huge state with a ton of bands, so of course their regionals will be dominated by Texas bands. Sorry for the 'back in my day' reference, but when I was in the activity, we had three big championship competitions that we attended: state, regionals and nationals. Only Michigan bands competed at the state championships. The BOA Mideast Regional (Toledo or Akron) as it was known then typically had bands from Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana and Illinois. Grand Nationals of course had bands from across the country. Both Avon and Carmel skipped state to do that in 2017. There are few places that can compete with Indy for an event like BOA GN and DCI Finals. It is a great event town. |
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Post by Marching Observer on Aug 29, 2022 10:27:31 GMT -6
As a few people stated, SA Supers lands on the same weekend as Indiana State Finals. So it is rare that bands will opt out of the state circuit. The fact that both Carmel and Avon did it on the same year kinda boggles my mind, but there it was lol. Texas has seen this kinda thing happen before too but it's rare since the school boards absolutely push the bands to remain and compete in UIL. If memory serves only Westfield and Ronald Reagan did that years ago. Maybe LD Bell too during their multiple consecutive years coming but I'd need confirmation on that.
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Post by principalagent on Aug 29, 2022 11:16:34 GMT -6
Ronald Reagan and LD Bell have always fully participated in UIL. Westfield and Spring pulled out for the better part of a decade, but are both back in, and have been for about a decade each.
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Post by Marching Observer on Aug 29, 2022 11:46:56 GMT -6
Ronald Reagan and LD Bell have always fully participated in UIL. Westfield and Spring pulled out for the better part of a decade, but are both back in, and have been for about a decade each. I knew there were two and I got at least one right 😛 But yeah, hasn't been done in a long time. The schedules just don't align with each other. |
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Post by elsie on Aug 29, 2022 12:04:55 GMT -6
If I remember and someone can correct me, but someone said that their school board disapproved FloMo trip to SA. But I don't remember if they said if it was for Covid concern or something else tho? So that's the reason they didn't go cuz normally they would have done an Regional, SR, and Nats like previous years. I had heard that it was due to cost, which was why I made that statement, since them not being able to make the trip due to cost would make it even more a burden on non Texas bands. If that's not the case though, then I am incorrect in that statement. I will still stand that the cost of travel to go to SA and Nats for a non Texas/Indy band and/or expectation to miss Nats for SA is still kind of misplaced though. The Woodlands and Round Rock have gone to SA and Nationals every two years for the past ten years…..not really an excuse for the first band to be prevented from going to SA on a nationals year as an example |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 12:34:44 GMT -6
- Archbishop Alter has been close, but has yet to win the GN Class A Title. Can they win it this year? or does a Kentucky band (like Murray) win it yet again? I have seen a bit of video of most of the usual Kentucky suspects, but not Archbishop Alter. Without seeing Alter I suppose I should reserve judgement, but I will say, they'd better bring the big guns. Murray has 110 on the field. You can overcome size with excellence, but if the big guy is also excellent? That's a steep hill to climb. Very curious as a SW Ohio local to see how Archbishop Alter follows up last season. They did take down BoCo pretty decisively & snagged vis in semis with an unimaginably small group after all. 110 kids is a big Goliath to conquer, but if they maintain the upward trajectory, it could be a good year for them. Purely speculative but I don't think it's unreasonable to assume them and Murray are the preseason front runners for the A title. |
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Post by 70sguardchick on Aug 29, 2022 13:00:20 GMT -6
So yes in recent years/decades there have been bands that have travelled a long distance to go to a BOA Regional. Carmel went to SA in 2002 and Avon went in 2017. Carmel went to BOA Southern California in 2017 and Cedar Ridge went there in 2014. BA also went to Florida in 2019 and a few Texas bands did go to Atlanta when it was a super regional a few years back. The original concept of the regional championships was that bands from around a specific geographic region attended the regional championships. That is why they used to call them the Eastern Regional or the Midwest Regional or the Southwest Regional, etc. So a band from Indiana was likely only to attend a regional in the Midwest or Mideast and a Texas band would attend the Southwest Regional. I remember finding it odd back in 1990 when Union (OK) traveled to the BOA Eastern Regional (Morgantown WV); same thing in 1991 when Westerville South (OH) went to the Southeast Regional (although that was not too far of a distance for them). During the course of the 1990s, as BOA added more and more regional championships, they dropped the geographic reference and just went on to naming them after the host city or metro region. With so many regionals to choose from now, I can see that some bands may periodically want to expand their horizons. I think for the most part, a regional championship is just that, bands compete from a specific region of the country. Texas is of course a huge state with a ton of bands, so of course their regionals will be dominated by Texas bands. Sorry for the 'back in my day' reference, but when I was in the activity, we had three big championship competitions that we attended: state, regionals and nationals. Only Michigan bands competed at the state championships. The BOA Mideast Regional (Toledo or Akron) as it was known then typically had bands from Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana and Illinois. Grand Nationals of course had bands from across the country. Both Avon and Carmel skipped state to do that in 2017. There are few places that can compete with Indy for an event like BOA GN and DCI Finals. It is a great event town. The next 10-12 bands in Indiana wouldn't mind if Avon or Carmel decided to do a Regional that weekend instead, LOL..... Add in that both DCI and Music For All/BOA are headquartered here in Indy, and I think its a safe bet the competitions will be here for the next several years. |
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Post by bandalum15 on Aug 29, 2022 13:09:35 GMT -6
As a few people stated, SA Supers lands on the same weekend as Indiana State Finals. So it is rare that bands will opt out of the state circuit. The fact that both Carmel and Avon did it on the same year kinda boggles my mind, but there it was lol. Texas has seen this kinda thing happen before too but it's rare since the school boards absolutely push the bands to remain and compete in UIL. If memory serves only Westfield and Ronald Reagan did that years ago. Maybe LD Bell too during their multiple consecutive years coming but I'd need confirmation on that. I would assume that it was no coincidence that both Carmel and Avon did this in the same year. Either the directors discussed the idea between them, or perhaps one decided to do it and the other followed suit after learning of it. But I can't believe they each decided independently with no knowledge of the other school's plans. |
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Post by dbalash on Aug 29, 2022 13:09:59 GMT -6
Both Avon Add in that both DCI and Music For All/BOA are headquartered here in Indy, and I think its a safe bet the competitions will be here for the next several years. DCI is contracted through 2028 to remain in Indianapolis. Reading the financials for MFA as of 2/28/2021, they have a lease for office space through 6/30/2023, and they are contractually obligated to host 4 events through the following dates: March 2022 (MFA National Festival), June 2023 (Summer Symposium), November 2023 (GN?) and October 2025 (Assuming Indy super regional). I believe all of these will be extended, as they've already announced the Grand Nationals dates through 2025. |
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Post by Shroom on Aug 29, 2022 13:23:07 GMT -6
I had heard that it was due to cost, which was why I made that statement, since them not being able to make the trip due to cost would make it even more a burden on non Texas bands. If that's not the case though, then I am incorrect in that statement. I will still stand that the cost of travel to go to SA and Nats for a non Texas/Indy band and/or expectation to miss Nats for SA is still kind of misplaced though. The Woodlands and Round Rock have gone to SA and Nationals every two years for the past ten years…..not really an excuse for the first band to be prevented from going to SA on a nationals year as an example I made the FloMo example because it was a standout example that made it easier to relate to the Indy bands... not because it was the standard. If you want a standard example, take basically any Texas band that doesn't pop its head into Nats every other year as one, and then also consider the fact that Midwestern/Southern bands would be making that trip for a SR and not Nats. |
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Post by paddy on Aug 29, 2022 13:45:59 GMT -6
DCI is contracted through 2028 to remain in Indianapolis. Reading the financials for MFA as of 2/28/2021, they have a lease for office space through 6/30/2023, and they are contractually obligated to host 4 events through the following dates: March 2022 (MFA National Festival), June 2023 (Summer Symposium), November 2023 (GN?) and October 2025 (Assuming Indy super regional). I believe all of these will be extended, as they've already announced the Grand Nationals dates through 2025. Again, Indy is a great spot for these events. I have been to St. Louis and San Antonio for marching events and they just aren't as conducive as Indy for logistics and ease of the event. |
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Post by marimba11 on Aug 29, 2022 13:46:12 GMT -6
Didn’t Bridgewater Raritan win a regional once?
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Post by ilikeguard on Aug 29, 2022 13:50:11 GMT -6
Definitely will want to follow Grain Valley at GN. After a downward trend, the band came back with a vengeance in 2021, taking the class title and an upper half placement at St. Louis. This will be their first Grand Nationals. With Tarpon in attendance, the AA title and exhibition slot are virtually out of reach, but they’re easily in contention for a silver or bronze medal. While Marian Catholic is a late season pusher, Grain Valley, too, saves the best for last, being undervalued in the early season but delivering an incredibly solid late season product. With an all-star GN medalist design team, this AA Kansas City band should be an easy semifinalist, the third in history for the Show Me State. I think they’ll have a few consistent medalists to overcome, but barring any drastic changes from last year, I see the Marching Eagles taking home some hardware this season. Have you gotten to see them in any rehearsals or public performances? Or any other of the Missouri bands that you're probably cheering for? I'm certainly looking forward to the 2A match-ups in the SRs and GN! I’ve only been to a Camdenton rehearsal so far and I’m sworn to secrecy 😉 Just looking back on last season and what I’ve heard from some parents, I have a really, really good feeling about Grain Valley. GN and Indianapolis SR are going to be a ton of fun for AA. Those are the only two I’ll have to miss live unfortunately! But I will be following our Missouri bands as close as possible. I don’t doubt we’ll see some history made this year! |
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Post by ilikeguard on Aug 29, 2022 13:52:51 GMT -6
- Archbishop Alter has been close, but has yet to win the GN Class A Title. Can they win it this year? or does a Kentucky band (like Murray) win it yet again? I have seen a bit of video of most of the usual Kentucky suspects, but not Archbishop Alter. Without seeing Alter I suppose I should reserve judgement, but I will say, they'd better bring the big guns. Murray has 110 on the field. You can overcome size with excellence, but if the big guy is also excellent? That's a steep hill to climb. 110 is a gorgeous number. I’m fairly sure that’s larger than a good chunk of AA groups. Murray sounds like (and looks like) a phenomenal program. I wish them luck again this year! |
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Post by ilikeguard on Aug 29, 2022 14:03:56 GMT -6
Triple posting but I was a member of one of those long-traveling bands. We went to Atlanta in 2017 and San Antonio, Clarksville, and Indianapolis in 2018.
I see the appeals of both sides. BA would stop and practice on our field, and we would use the old Rams practice field on our way to St. Louis, so that solves the issue of lost rehearsal time there, but having a temporary practice field is incredibly conditional and a privilege. I have a hard time understanding why a band would choose to travel across the country and sacrifice precious practice time, especially when it’s down to the wire and little changes could make or break a placement. I guess if you’re confident that you’ll achieve what you want to without using that practice time, it’s worth it, or if you’re a Texas band and the competition is just too congested where you’re closest to. But while I love seeing Texas groups here in the Midwest, I can’t help but feel a little sad for the Midwest bands that would be in finals without them.
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Post by dbalash on Aug 29, 2022 14:08:35 GMT -6
Didn’t Bridgewater Raritan win a regional once? No, they've never won. |
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Post by dbalash on Aug 29, 2022 14:27:20 GMT -6
DCI is contracted through 2028 to remain in Indianapolis. Reading the financials for MFA as of 2/28/2021, they have a lease for office space through 6/30/2023, and they are contractually obligated to host 4 events through the following dates: March 2022 (MFA National Festival), June 2023 (Summer Symposium), November 2023 (GN?) and October 2025 (Assuming Indy super regional). I believe all of these will be extended, as they've already announced the Grand Nationals dates through 2025. Again, Indy is a great spot for these events. I have been to St. Louis and San Antonio for marching events and they just aren't as conducive as Indy for logistics and ease of the event. Not to mention, who knows what's going to happen to the Dome at America's Center? The tax district that paid for the maintenance expires in 2024, and it is currently requiring millions of dollars in annual maintenance, with a roof replacement up soon. Granted, it is used for large conventions and the like (plus the XFL Battlehawks, monster truck shows, etc.), but the new MLS stadium opening next year could have the Battlehawks move there, demolishing the Dome for more convention space. |
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Post by paddy on Aug 29, 2022 14:32:29 GMT -6
I have seen a bit of video of most of the usual Kentucky suspects, but not Archbishop Alter. Without seeing Alter I suppose I should reserve judgement, but I will say, they'd better bring the big guns. Murray has 110 on the field. You can overcome size with excellence, but if the big guy is also excellent? That's a steep hill to climb. 110 is a gorgeous number. I’m fairly sure that’s larger than a good chunk of AA groups. Murray sounds like (and looks like) a phenomenal program. I wish them luck again this year! 110 would be a small Class B band in Indiana and most of those schools are AA. I think the smallest state qualifier in Class B was around 100 but the rest were 135 plus. Concord was close to 200 last year. |
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Post by supersound on Aug 29, 2022 15:29:55 GMT -6
Didn’t Bridgewater Raritan win a regional once? No, they've never won. They did however tie with Avon for the Esprit De Corps award in 2012. |
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Post by marimba11 on Aug 29, 2022 15:41:31 GMT -6
Did they ever win a prelims?
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Post by srv1084 on Aug 29, 2022 16:07:17 GMT -6
Did they ever win a prelims? Yep, that's probably what you're thinking about. They won prelims one year and dropped a bit in finals. |
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I'm certainly looking forward to the 2A match-ups in the SRs and GN!
